Thread: hunter down :(

Originally Posted by Toby

Just shows it can happen to the "top" of the hunting comnuity. It's easy to say people look nothing like deer but if a couple of people that are known and respected hunters can shoot someone by mistake it can happen to anyone.

Very true Toby but we all should agree that it just shouldn't happen

I just got off the phone from a mate who who heard the shot and spoke to the guilty party after the shooting. If what he told me is correct
and Im sure he wouldnt embellish the truth then it does beggar belief

I guess we all need to look at ourselves before we start judging anyone else. There are some poor examples of Fire Arms Safety out there....

It is only my 3rd roar and this time we choppered in, we left early in the roar, by the time we returned a week later the carpark at the heli pad was full. While most people seemed keen and eager to be chopped in. One hunting party was just plan scary.......

They came up to us and asked us how we got on... As he had a beer in his hand a beer and stunk of piss ... They were so smashed if it was a commerial aircraft that they would have been banned.

And these are the very people that are in the bush hunting with high powered weapons......... F-ing Scarey!!!!!

What a terrible title for a thread.

Been thinking a lot about this. We as hunters or firearm users are getting something wrong from day 1 as this is 100% avoidable. It doesn't matter if this guy has 45 years of experience under his belt and is part of the NZDA, what it shows is hes been doing it wrong for 45 years and all it took was the right ingredients for it to happen! I wonder how many deer hes dropped over that time span and not clearly identified the target. This time unfortunately it was a human in his sights.

The whole thing makes me sick just thinking about it for all parties involved. The victim in this instance had high vis on, and pretty much sums up the insignificance of it. I'll still wear it but it gives me no confidence or security that im any safer in the bush.

What I have heard from a friend down there was 2 hunters were wearing blaze and saw another hunter 30-40 metres away.Gave a whistle to let him know they were there in the clearing and he just snap fired at them. Missed the bloke in front but nailing the other guy. Apparently an "experienced respected hunter" and very high up in NZDA ???


Which if true doesn't really say much for a nzda and their leadership attitude after two high profile members have now shot other hunters.

Originally Posted by oneipete

What I have heard from a friend down there was 2 hunters were wearing blaze and saw another hunter 30-40 metres away.Gave a whistle to let him know they were there in the clearing and he just snap fired at them. Missed the bloke in front but nailing the other guy. Apparently an "experienced respected hunter" and very high up in NZDA ???


Which if true doesn't really say much for a nzda and their leadership attitude after two high profile members have now shot other hunters.

Wait till wat really happened comes out. There's rumors every where.

Originally Posted by Tahr

What a terrible title for a thread.

Sorry?

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This really does worry me. I feel so, so sorry for the dead hunter and his family. But i dont feel sorry for the guy that shot him. All accidents are preventable. Now i am fairly new to hunting and have only shot a couple of deer so am no expert. But last week was in the Ruahines, i had already spooked a few deer when i spotted some movement ahead. I got with in 40m or so. I was fairly certain it was a deer but could not quite see it fully in the bush. Did i pull the trigger at some thing i could not FULLY identify? NO FUCKING WAY! Would i have loved to go home with some meat or some antlers to show my boys FUCK YES. But i could not shoot at the something behind the bush no matter what. And it really really worries me that people will shoot at something without identifying their target. Dont know what else to say but RIP.

Originally Posted by oneipete

What I have heard from a friend down there was 2 hunters were wearing blaze and saw another hunter 30-40 metres away.Gave a whistle to let him know they were there in the clearing and he just snap fired at them. Missed the bloke in front but nailing the other guy. Apparently an "experienced respected hunter" and very high up in NZDA ???


Which if true doesn't really say much for a nzda and their leadership attitude after two high profile members have now shot other hunters.

Experience or age is not a fact in deciding how foolish or careless a man is. An idiot is still an idiot even at the age of 50 or 60. Be careful always, wear high viz clothing and hope none of these bastards are not hunting on the day you are out there.

Police investigation or even a life imprisonment to this aarse hole is not going to change what had happened. It is a big loss to the family of the person who lost his valuable life. My heart goes out to them.

Originally Posted by oneipete

What I have heard from a friend down there was 2 hunters were wearing blaze and saw another hunter 30-40 metres away.Gave a whistle to let him know they were there in the clearing and he just snap fired at them. Missed the bloke in front but nailing the other guy. Apparently an "experienced respected hunter" and very high up in NZDA ???


Which if true doesn't really say much for a nzda and their leadership attitude after two high profile members have now shot other hunters.

Im a member of the NZDA so what the fuck are you implying @oneipete

Originally Posted by Rusky

The victim in this instance had high vis on, and pretty much sums up the insignificance of it. I'll still wear it but it gives me no confidence or security that im any safer in the bush.

After a personal experience last roar, i believe in some situations and conditions wearing hi-viz (blaze orange) actually puts you at a greater risk. I no longer wear mine, instead wear camo and/or green. I know this has been thrashed out a few times before, but i feel its important for people to think about it - You may not be as 'safe' as you think you are when you pull on your blaze orange top or hat.

From my experience where i roared in another hunter (two actually) and saw colour and movement thru tight bush, the small amount of colour i could see looked right, but i couldnt see enough to 100% identify as a deer, saw bush move, was expecting the stag to emerge any second, then two hunters pop out wearing full blaze orange, I alerted them that i was there, and we all shat ourselves. It was a really big wake up call for me i tell you, I honestly believed that it was a stag when i saw the colour and movement thru the thick stuff.

I can certainly see how this happens, very scary shit!

RIP young hunter, my thoughts are with your wife and 2 kids (I have a wife and 2 pre-school kids myself, and cannot imagine the impact on them if i was not to come home one day.

Originally Posted by Neckshot

Im a member of the NZDA so what the fuck are you implying @oneipete

Don't think he is implying anything mate.
Other than it doesn't matter who you are or what position in you hold, if your an incompetent drongo. this sort of thing can happen.
Correct me if I am wrong but this bloke is the second person from NZDA that had a position of status and has shot and killed another hunter because he did not follow the simple rules his association holds sacred.
It does the association and it's interests no favours in the public eye.
Media scum will thrive on the hypocrisy.




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Originally Posted by Rusky

Been thinking a lot about this. We as hunters or firearm users are getting something wrong from day 1 as this is 100% avoidable. It doesn't matter if this guy has 45 years of experience under his belt and is part of the NZDA, what it shows is hes been doing it wrong for 45 years and all it took was the right ingredients for it to happen! I wonder how many deer hes dropped over that time span and not clearly identified the target. This time unfortunately it was a human in his sights.

The whole thing makes me sick just thinking about it for all parties involved. The victim in this instance had high vis on, and pretty much sums up the insignificance of it. I'll still wear it but it gives me no confidence or security that im any safer in the bush.

This is it. Often we focus on the actions immediately associated with the event when the hunter ould have been heading down the pathway of causing injury for a long time. Not saying this is the case with this guy but more that it is healthy for us to focus on seemingly minor errors in firearm handling/hunting practice to.avoid them being integrated into a series of errors/poor philosophy which compound as bad practice that can lead to serious harm.
Sweating the small stuff and being even more aware of negative possibility is very justified in our sport.

Thoughts are with the family and those effected and hope that some change happens as a result of this to reduce chances of it in the future and bring some sense of assurance to the family

Originally Posted by R93

Don't think he is implying anything mate.
Other than it doesn't matter who you are or what position in you hold, if your an incompetent drongo. this sort of thing can happen.
Correct me if I am wrong but this bloke is the second person from NZDA that had a position of status and has shot and killed another hunter because he did not follow the simple rules his association holds sacred.
It does the association and it's interests no favours in the public eye.
Media scum will thrive on the hypocrisy.




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It looks to me there is a Dig there,This is Human error what club or association is irellevant and those rules are held sacred by every rifle owner who has a fal isn't it? tell me something new.Have a serch of the history and facts on Hunters shot and who shot them and the story might be different.