Thread: hunter down :(

Originally Posted by oneipete

What I have heard from a friend down there was 2 hunters were wearing blaze and saw another hunter 30-40 metres away.Gave a whistle to let him know they were there in the clearing and he just snap fired at them. Missed the bloke in front but nailing the other guy. Apparently an "experienced respected hunter" and very high up in NZDA ???


Which if true doesn't really say much for a nzda and their leadership attitude after two high profile members have now shot other hunters.

Im a member of the NZDA so what the fuck are you implying @oneipete

Originally Posted by Neckshot

Im a member of the NZDA so what the fuck are you implying @oneipete

Don't think he is implying anything mate.
Other than it doesn't matter who you are or what position in you hold, if your an incompetent drongo. this sort of thing can happen.
Correct me if I am wrong but this bloke is the second person from NZDA that had a position of status and has shot and killed another hunter because he did not follow the simple rules his association holds sacred.
It does the association and it's interests no favours in the public eye.
Media scum will thrive on the hypocrisy.




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Originally Posted by R93

Don't think he is implying anything mate.
Other than it doesn't matter who you are or what position in you hold, if your an incompetent drongo. this sort of thing can happen.
Correct me if I am wrong but this bloke is the second person from NZDA that had a position of status and has shot and killed another hunter because he did not follow the simple rules his association holds sacred.
It does the association and it's interests no favours in the public eye.
Media scum will thrive on the hypocrisy.




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It looks to me there is a Dig there,This is Human error what club or association is irellevant and those rules are held sacred by every rifle owner who has a fal isn't it? tell me something new.Have a serch of the history and facts on Hunters shot and who shot them and the story might be different.

It is the perception one has of a NZDA member mate nothing else. Your right it doesn't matter what club you belong to at all. But in this case it will be a big deal to the media.
Hope I am wrong but I doubt it.


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Originally Posted by R93

It is the perception one has of a NZDA member mate nothing else. Your right it doesn't matter what club you belong to at all. But in this case it will be a big deal to the media.
Hope I am wrong but I doubt it.


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With out even trying to you are Tahring the NZDA and all its members with the same brush Dave. I get your point on the media and its right.
But I respectfully disagree with the rest as it was Human error not NZDA error.

Media wont care, the royals are in town and they dont have time for real news


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I have experienced buck graver first hand on a hare drive . Was a club organised drive 60 -70 guns . The senior club rep have this fire and brimstone speech about safety that went on and on etc and the new guys must obey the rules etc . The rules are for those don't no is a line of guns ( back stop. ) and a line of guns approach backstop . You can not shoot forward only behind . Simple . You think . Well the muppet who did the speach forgot the rules , and when the line me included got to about 50 paces , he swung his gun at a hare directly at us .?his eyes where like saucers and he was blind to see a wall of people yelling and screaming don't shoot don't shoot . The hare ducked and dived and he never shot . Very scary moment .

In my opinion,New Zealand has become vastly over populated very quickly. This obviously leads to all sorts of mishaps occurring, vehicular, firearm and otherwise . The roads of yester year are unable to accommodate the rate of traffic flow and the few remaining deer that survive the culling, 1080, tree clearing etc. are desperately hunted with unfortunate and predictable results sometimes.
The bad news is that non of the mayhem we experience will subside, but it's almost certain to esculate in proportion to the increase of human beings on this mortal coil.

Originally Posted by misfire

the few remaining deer that survive the culling, 1080, tree clearing etc. are desperately hunted with unfortunate and predictable results sometimes.

I would say there are a lot more deer round now than there was when I started hunting in the early 80's.

Originally Posted by Barefoot

I would say there are a lot more deer round now than there was when I started hunting in the early 80's.

I tend to agree Barefoot.

Never said it was NZDA error.
I am talking about perception nothing else.



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I'm not sure there's magic pill that would stop this from ever happening. In my mind this sort of thing is similar to a traffic incident from a couple of years ago when a teenager ran a red light at high speed in a stolen car and killed a guy. Completely avoidable, all he had to do was stop for the red light. But he didn't. People with attitudes like this walk among us and as sad as that may be, they probably always will.

Wearing blaze may or may not help, that's a matter of opinion.
More stringent requirements surrounding licensing may not help in cases like this, it's not as if the shooter lacked experience (though I think the current process is almost completely lacking). The type of firearms that are available to buy is most definitely not the problem, but I am sure you lot know that already.
Harsher penalties would be nice, but they just don't stop some people. And I'm not saying these people are career criminals, but they are aware that actions have consequences.
Maybe a different permit system (such as I believe is used on the DoC blocks in Warkworth?), where one party goes in at a time would help. Though that wouldn't stop those with no regard for rules.

I don't think I've ever seen anything on the telly about a hunter not identifying his target properly and killing someone, I mean something like an ad that the Transport Authority runs for people speeding or something. Maybe something like that would help.

Habits tend to stick with people: like someone previously wondered, how many deer has this guy taken on an assumption? Maybe zero, maybe heaps. Either way, he shot at sound or movement coming from someone, not a deer, and in the process has altered several lives forever.

The hunting fraternity in NZ is big, but I've only been on this forum a few months and it appears it is still a bloody small world, with only a few degrees of separation it would seem. How many of us discuss safe habits while we're in the hills, or even at the range? If we held each other accountable somehow, then headlines like this might pop up less often. Pull people up on the things they shouldn't be doing with a firearm, whether you know them or not; make damn sure that what you and your friend are about to fire at is in fact an animal, and I mean damn sure--gender, species, current activity etc before pulling the trigger. When you see someone starting out, advise them on safety, pass on tips. The current system means you can never have handled a firearm and be deemed an acceptable firearm owner! Start them on the right track from day one, hold them to that track and maybe the bush will be a safer place for us all.

Well said.

Anyone who thinks they may shoot someone in the bush at some time, should stay home.

Originally Posted by Spook

Anyone who thinks they may shoot someone in the bush at some time, should stay home.

Id be more worried about the type that says " that will never happen to me " .