Thread: hunter down :(

Originally Posted by Nathan F

Id be more worried about the type that says " that will never happen to me " .

That would depend on whether it was said with bravado/stupidity or with conviction of one's attitude/ self discipline.

Originally Posted by Spook

That would depend on whether it was said with bravado/stupidity or with conviction of one's attitude/ self discipline.

I dont think it matters how its thought or said mate. If you are thinking that way there is a problem straight away. Im sure the guy with 45 years experience had plenty
of conviction and self discipline also - yet a poor guy wearing blaze gets shot.

Originally Posted by Nathan F

I dont think it matters how its thought or said mate. If you are thinking that way there is a problem straight away. Im sure the guy with 45 years experience had plenty
of conviction and self discipline also - yet a poor guy wearing blaze gets shot.

What ever he had, as sure as hell it wasn't self discipline.

Originally Posted by Nathan F

I dont think it matters how its thought or said mate. If you are thinking that way there is a problem straight away. Im sure the guy with 45 years experience had plenty
of conviction and self discipline also - yet a poor guy wearing blaze gets shot.

Maybe more accurate to say he thought he had plenty of self disciplne.

Spook clearly thinks he has plenty too, hopefully his self-assessment is more accurate.

Originally Posted by Spook

Anyone who thinks they may shoot someone in the bush at some time, should stay home.

Totally disagree personally. I think anyone who is aware that there may be other people in their area that they may misidentify and therefore not assume it's the targeted animal and use that thought process of 'this may be a person' (or a another animal that they aren't after).

These people should be welcomed.

Being aware of the ability to make mistakes makes you actively pursue not making them.

They need to make the firearms 'test' a prerequisite to the seminar. Conducted like the lerners test, sit in the corner and do it in silence by yourself with no one coaching you.

It should be remembered that Government deer culling ended in the 80's, therefore it's entirely possible that the deer numbers increased from almost f..k all thereafter. My point is that in proportion to the hunter/ deer success rate today, it's marginal for the run of the mill average Joe hunter. I have no doubt that those of us with above average skills and hunting areas available only to some of us, are more successful.

As far as automatic murder charges laid with regard burglars shot in South Africa... nope,it's up to the circumstance at the time. Mostly decided really quickly by the attending 'cops'. Africa is a very strange place...

Anyone who thinks that they are a not a vulnerable human being, who can not make an unexplainable mistake, should bury their rifles in concrete and go and see a counsellor.

If you can’t accept that anyone could shoot anyone by mistake, you simply lack the the self awareness to be allowed firearms.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Anyone who thinks that they are a not a vulnerable human being, who can not make an unexplainable mistake, should bury their rifles in concrete and go and see a counsellor.

If you can’t accept that anyone could shoot anyone by mistake, you simply lack the the self awareness to be allowed firearms.

Thats what I was trying to say. Better articulation of words.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Anyone who thinks that they are a not a vulnerable human being, who can not make an unexplainable mistake, should bury their rifles in concrete and go and see a counsellor.

If you can’t accept that anyone could shoot anyone by mistake, you simply lack the the self awareness to be allowed firearms.

This is how the judges see it as well...that's why Dumber only got 9 months and $7000 reparation for blatant murder at 16 metres

How the hell do you shoot someone when you have fully identified your target

Originally Posted by moonhunt

How the hell do you shoot someone when you have fully identified your target

I dont actually think that the wording "positively identify your target" actually gets the intended message across, which is surely "don't shoot a human", so perhaps it should just say that. The current wording actually detracts from the true message in my opinion. I can't help but think think that instead of mentally questioning "is that a human?" when looking at a target, some people are questioning "is that really a deer?" and deciding that it is. The human bit never entered their head... I think that the true intent of that particular rule is critically missing or not stated and therefore not instilled in some peoples psyche.

Neckshot, PM sent. nothing I want to get into on this thread.

Originally Posted by moonhunt

How the hell do you shoot someone when you have fully identified your target

Several people have been shot in NZ while carrying an animal. The shooter identified the animal, just did not notice unusual posture or movement... Ricochets, how about the homekill guy couple years ago that identified the cattle beast, and the bullet still struck his assistant. Not saying that is the case here, but freak accidents do happen. Bullets also have an amazing ability to go through stuff and continue on to hit something/someone else...

Originally Posted by Spook

This is how the judges see it as well...that's why Dumber only got 9 months and $7000 reparation for blatant murder at 16 metres

Spook, while you obviously feel pretty strongly about this, there is a fairly large (legal) difference between "blatant munder" i.e. intention, and negligent homicide. If it was intentional, don't you think the police would have charged him accordingly ?

Originally Posted by Munsey

Does anyone know what the crime would be , if this was in another country ? . Ie shooting someone wearing blaze while hunting . ? As in serious jail time ?

Manslaughter / culpable homicide / negligent homicide. Sentence depends on the country (SA = 10-15 years). In South Africa, if you shoot someone (even if it is a burglar in your house), you automatically get charged with murder and culpable homicide (ala Oscar). The cops leave it to the courts to figure out if was self-defence, accidental or intentional.

Does anyone know what the crime would be , if this was in another country ? . Ie shooting someone wearing blaze while hunting . ? As in serious jail time ?

Originally Posted by Munsey

Does anyone know what the crime would be , if this was in another country ? . Ie shooting someone wearing blaze while hunting . ? As in serious jail time ?

It seems to vary a lot, here's one from USA, this guy is facing 4 years max I believe Upstate DA: Garden City man indicted in hunting accident that killed Malverne firefighter Charles Bruce - Newsday