Thread: Hunting With No FAL

Straight off the arms code



Myself reading that it says generally which to me tells me its fine in a mai mai because you are right next to the young one.

Originally Posted by Toby

Straight off the arms code

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Myself reading that it says generally which to me tells me its fine in a mai mai because you are right next to the young one.

That note at the bottom is new..... I guess since the coined the term MSSA?

probably a good idea.

yes if you are supervising an unlicenced shooter,the FAL holder must have the one firearm. also under F&G regs. any fal. holder is only allowed to be in possession of one firearm.ie. it is illegal to take two shotguns into the mai mai(in the possession of the one person).it seems this is a carry over from the two shot days,but it has never been erased from the books.i plead guilty to this one,having taken two u/o out many times on opening to make use of the firepower.

PT carries one, dundee carres one. Only one person loads and shoots at any one time. All ok?

Its a moot point whether the firearm is loaded or unloaded in the eyes of the law, its a firearm and you must be under direct supervision if you are handling one. At least that is how I interpret the law.

Originally Posted by screamO

yep here we go, where will this thread end up?
I know where your coming from on this one Dundee, I think the appropriate answer is NO he can't do what he want's! I'm guessing by some of your other posts with your family, your boy isn't stupid and you have taught him the ins and outs of firearms safety and hunting which is a lot more than a 25yr old who has just got his FAL and never touched a gun, but it's still wrong even thou he might be the safest hunter out there. I'm sure you don't let him drive your car / tractor around by him self either as he's not old enough to have a licence......yea right I think the saying goes. How old was the guy down south who shot a hunter?
It's a hard one to say no to when your probably the biggest influence in his need to go hunting and prove him self.
I know the rules don't change just because you live on a farm, but lets be fair they do! I'm sure there will be some bad replies from that comment but heeee that's the point of having these discussions.

I don,t think your comment about farms rules are out of whack.
A farm is private property and most of us brought up on farms were driving farm utes,tractors and more often now quads.
Same goes for rifles and hunting .
City kids Vs Farm kids all have there own set of rules .
Take a farm kid into say Auckland and he or she would be overwhelm by catching a train or bus to a suburb nor would the parents be relaxed with idea where the city kid would take it as a normal occurance as would the parents .
Put the same family onto a farm and the parents and or child would not be comforable with son or daughter jumping on the quad or ute with a rifle to head off for a hunt alone.

I think dundee your obviously smart enough to get your firearms lisense and your son can obviously read , so why not read the arms act as its pretty clearly statdd, or rather do you know your doing something thats illegal but you take to the forum to get members to try and reassure you that no what your doing is "acceptable". good way to be a role model and teach your son to respect firearms!

If it's public land then respect other users and take one rifle. On your land it's your business.

I asked the Arms Officer this question a couple of years ago in regards to hunting with my mate who doesn't have a FAL. He said he can carry a firearm as long as he is under my direct supervision and is close enough for me to intervene if required.

Thanks guys for all the replies.He will be taking his bow on public land and I will take the rifle.

Scoped I do have a FAL.

My 2c worth - you're making the right decision. It's only after a situation goes bad would you think on how the execution of immediate supervision could be really be done.

My 2c worth - this isn't because the world has gone PC mad, but changed, for the better. If safety gets clobbered under being "PC" you may want to reevaluate your viewpoint.

I once went duck shooting with a mate. We both had firearms licences and a firearm each. A neighbour turned up at the pond shortly after we did with his young boy (14 or so). The father had a licence and a firearm. The kid had no licence but also had a firearm. We were sitting in the gorse calling in a few ducks. They were just passing over almost in range when there was an almighty boom. I was thinking someone got a bit premature and opened up too soon. As it stood the kid had put a round into the ground an inch from his foot. He claims the gun just went off. I suspect something different. After that I went home. I wasn't hanging around for another stray dose of steel.

Just remember though when you were a boy if you got caught with a firearm and no licence you probably would have got a slap with a wet bus ticket. Now days I suspect you would struggle to ever get a firearms licence again. Big gamble in my opinion as safe as he may be with a firearm.

Yup, good call

I know PT knows what he is doing, but if anything goes wrong or there is an issue and he gets stopped when away from you, then you could lose your license, he could have a black mark against his name etc, etc.

PC world gone mad, but simply not worth the risk.

But how is safety politically correct ? ? ?

the reality is that PT is a farm kid and has grown up around firearms.

i would bet that he is about 300% safer around firearms than hundreds of auckland wannabes about to descend on the bush for the roar. I know which one I would rather be next to for the following month...

but rules are rules and the shiny arses keep making them...