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    Thanks folks. A quick check of my ballistics I've measured gives me about 300m for the whitetail and well past 500m on the eldx before the velocity gets iffy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 16Tontovarish View Post
    Thanks folks. A quick check of my ballistics I've measured gives me about 300m for the whitetail and well past 500m on the eldx before the velocity gets iffy.
    Where does your foot pounds of energy sit
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    Simple really. KISS. Shoot animals with intended projectile. If they work keep using them. If they don’t, stop using them. Start at shorter ranges and work your way out. Although dead meat doesn’t behave exactly like live meat shoot an animal and use as target at maximum intended range and see what bullet does. Goats are a plentiful source for target material around here.
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    As @Jus mentioned think about and use impact velocity and what the minimum required is for the projectile you use to reliably expand and thus do its thing in/through the animals tissue.


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    Most bullets will bounce off a deer at 999 foot pounds and will actually ricochet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakoswarosorted View Post
    Most bullets will bounce off a deer at 999 foot pounds and will actually ricochet
    What a crock of shit that statement is. A shit load of deer have hit the deck for myself and others using calibers/bullets that deliver less energy than that. First deer I shot was with a 22lr 51 years ago, dropped on the spot. Many more have done so over the years. Nearly every one of 352 deer shot last year was with 223 using 55gr bullets delivering less energy than your statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woods223 View Post
    What a crock of shit that statement is. A shit load of deer have hit the deck for myself and others using calibers/bullets that deliver less energy than that. First deer I shot was with a 22lr 51 years ago, dropped on the spot. Many more have done so over the years. Nearly every one of 352 deer shot last year was with 223 using 55gr bullets delivering less energy than your statement.
    Yeah nar ,I think ol mate @Sakoswarosorted was taking the Michael and yourve just taken the bait hook line n sinker.Think it's called phishing
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    Yeah whatever. Bullshit posts like that just piss me off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woods223 View Post
    Yeah whatever. Bullshit posts like that just piss me off.
    But funny after you blow the steam off.


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    Quote Originally Posted by woods223 View Post
    What a crock of shit that statement is. A shit load of deer have hit the deck for myself and others using calibers/bullets that deliver less energy than that. First deer I shot was with a 22lr 51 years ago, dropped on the spot. Many more have done so over the years. Nearly every one of 352 deer shot last year was with 223 using 55gr bullets delivering less energy than your statement.
    Ummmm,,,,he was joking mate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakoswarosorted View Post
    Most bullets will bounce off a deer at 999 foot pounds and will actually ricochet
    Yes I have experienced this , and it is quite annoying and embarrassing too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakoswarosorted View Post
    Most bullets will bounce off a deer at 999 foot pounds and will actually ricochet
    that explains .22lr subs skipping off everything
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    I shot a fallow buck this morning with a 73gr .223 factory ELDM. Impact V about 1965fps and 625 ftlb. The deer died satisfactorily.


    Energy numbers are a next-to-useless tool for predicting effectiveness. Actual bullet performance at the relevant impact velocity, and the wound created, is what matters
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    For a very interesting and informative read, read Nathan Fosters book "Long range hunting cartridges". He spells out what is required to kill an animal.
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    Last edited by Magnetite; 16-01-2025 at 06:11 PM.
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