Thread: Interesting stats here....so the 270 can kill deer...

And I think that’s one of the main two points eh Carlsen, what you shoot them with rifle wise isn’t that important.

What a study like this can never capture I suppose is the manner in which the deer was shot, seeing as how these were all shot out of a stand. For the typical kiwi shooting, off hand, kneeling, off sticks, prone on a bipod... I know my placement snap shooting off hand in the woods at a close-ish range deer that knows I’m there is nowhere near as flash as me shooting them prone from five or seven times further away.

It's where you hit them and with a good expanding bullet that counts.

Originally Posted by Mooseman

It's where you hit them and with a good expanding bullet that counts.

funnily enough you see what Winchester and browning have done with their matrix projectiles.
Supposed to rapidly dump all the energy where you put it. aim for shoulder and big damage.

@csmiffy well there’s a bullet I’d never heard of before. Just watched the promo video and will now search for reviews. Looks very interesting, thanks for posting.

This south Carolina paper got some real good discussion going last night, winter pot roast and a few mates. Interesting to see the range of opinion, almost all it seems founded in what their dad told them to do.

Got us owning up to fails that hadn’t been discussed before, the how and the why... happens to us all at some point or other, but there was defo a common thread... shooting for the “crease” and going in too high and slightly too far back, over the top of the heart, into the rear lungs and maybe just empty cavity if the lungs are deflated.

Really interesting to hear how little the two younger fellas knew about different bullet types. So we nipped out to the shed and cut a few in half to have a look, that was a good little exercise.

@Flyblown Well I suppose its a take on conventional soft points.
Instead of trying to make a bullet that tries to do everything-mushroom, deliver energy and all but if not completely go right through they have gone the other way and made it so in a relatively controlled manner wants to dump all of the energy in there with maybe a little penetration. A bit of the opposite of the copper projectiles which are meant to need a bit of speed to work but will still generally go right through but not always mushroom if its a bit far away.
Basically they want it to go in and wreck things and they will go down.
Edit:it seems from the hype they are also meant to penetrate properly also.

Henry made his living shooting deer for skins up the back of Tokomaru - I met him in about 1965 - he had been doing it since around 1945 when he decided to withdraw from society and live in the bush - he probably shot a thousand or more deer during that period with his 303 - all his ammo were solid nose and came from NZFS and like many hunters of the day - he put a file over the tip - likely most of the deer fell over close by. Me and my Mates that started hunting in 1965 used 303 or 30.06 - we built a jig for each and drilled them with a 1/16th drill - most of the deer fell over fairly close. Most of us started without scopes or dogs. Most deer die fairly rapidly if they get hit in the shoulder with any caliber 243 or larger - 270 is a great rifle!

Originally Posted by time out

Henry made his living shooting deer for skins up the back of Tokomaru - I met him in about 1965 - he had been doing it since around 1945 when he decided to withdraw from society and live in the bush - he probably shot a thousand or more deer during that period with his 303 - all his ammo were solid nose and came from NZFS and like many hunters of the day - he put a file over the tip - likely most of the deer fell over close by. Me and my Mates that started hunting in 1965 used 303 or 30.06 - we built a jig for each and drilled them with a 1/16th drill - most of the deer fell over fairly close. Most of us started without scopes or dogs. Most deer die fairly rapidly if they get hit in the shoulder with any caliber 243 or larger - 270 is a great rifle!Attachment 91155

interesting about the drilling thing. I was going to have a play with the fmj 303 ammo I have but that's was all I was going to do. Softpoints now are readily available but back in the day not so much.
Careful about praising the 270. Being a patched up member of the #270 gang will definitely draw some attention lol.
2FF2

Great photo of a man in his element. It was that era, late 40s early 50s that my Grandpa was here working on the Waikato hydro builds. He fell in with a good bunch and spent many many weeks in the bush with blokes like Henry. Got an education in deer hunting alright and me and my cuzzies got the benefit of that experience for sure. The stories of just how many bloody deer there were though makes for a helluva yarn, I reckon they were just about tripping over them. The work to get them out though, crikey. Not for the faint hearted.

My father worked for the Forest Service at Karioi Forest during the 1950s and 60s. He used a .303 and was selling venison to the local chiller at Waiouru In those days you didn't need the ears on the carcass so he could get the Government bounty of 3 rounds of .303 ex Army solids per pair of deer ears. He made a jig and drilled the tips to give a slight hollow point and shot heaps of deer with them. From memory he used to get 10 pence per pound.

To be fair, Henry wasn't the best looking of blokes - unless that photo just caught him on a bad day - which might have had something to do with him withdrawing from society perhaps ??
Regarding numbers shot I remember Mick Rosinowski told me he shot 13,000 on foot before they bought their first helicopter.....

Originally Posted by csmiffy

interesting about the drilling thing. I was going to have a play with the fmj 303 ammo I have but that's was all I was going to do. Softpoints now are readily available but back in the day not so much.
Careful about praising the 270. Being a patched up member of the #270 gang will definitely draw some attention lol.
2FF2

Yes - we drilled all ours
The jig would get worn but - needed to hard face it - but that was beyond our country hick technology
Used to buy in a round packet/box - 75 rounds
Were shooting Goats by the 100’s in King Country – pulled off some great shots – or prob flukes in my case
Wish I could remember the price

Originally Posted by csmiffy

funnily enough you see what Winchester and browning have done with their matrix projectiles.
Supposed to rapidly dump all the energy where you put it. aim for shoulder and big damage.

some of us remember the old school silvertips with fondness while others curse them........huge lead tip covered with light aluminum cap....rapid expansion and big hole to let the daylight in...... the term reinventing the wheel comes to mind....

Regarding numbers shot I remember Mick Rosinowski told me he shot 13,000 on foot before they bought their first helicopter.....

Was that the Rosinowski from Ikamatua ?

https://www.ballisticstudies.com/Kno...e+Killing.html
There it is, everything you ever wanted to know about game killing and shot placement but were too afraid to ask.
I am a bit confused by what is described in the article as a 'shoulder shot' (was it high, low, mid, forward ,rear shoulder). Because animals ran after being 'shoulder shot' I am guessing the shot was high behind the shoulder.

Originally Posted by nor-west

Was that the Rosinowski from Ikamatua ?

Yes that was Mick a champion of a man. Allan (Micks son) is still operating machines from Reefton. If anyone wants to get at the very best Cham hunting and biggest bucks in NZ look Allan up.