Thread: Introducing Larry

Originally Posted by Max Headroom

Thanks guys. My friend Chris wanted me to keep the head as a milestone in the sense of this being my first. Initially I didn't think it was important, but he has been killing stuff for a long time, and knew the significance of it.

I wanted to do this for another reason. To me, being able to shoot a deer completes a cycle.

1 Learn to shoot

2 Learn to reload

3 Learn to stalk

4 bring back an animal

5 Learn to butcher and store

6 Learn to cook and take time to enjoy.

7 Begin again

I was stuck on number 3. Now I've closed the circle and am learning in practical firsthand terms what it means.

"That which we learn, we learn by doing" - Aristotle

Yes, all of that. Another good out come is that you have disabused the forum members of the terrible thought that you actually look like your avatar.

Originally Posted by Flyblown

Good to see you have broken your duck.

I am intrigued to know specifically what Nosler bullet you were using please. That is a mighty long runner, considering the point of impact. Was he broadside or quartering towards or away?

EDIT... okay I see it must've been the Ballistic Tip Hunting.

I would send your story to Nosler if I were you. Do you have any photos of the vitals and the holes on each side of the rip cage?

No photo's, sorry. I do have a question though.

I have pretty much always loaded my ammo at or near the starting load so as not to wear out cases or the rifle. I'm just not interested in hot loads.....yet.

From the data that I do have on the 120gn loads, I used the pill on top of 43 gn of 2206H, for a chronied speed of 2800- 2900 fps. (I don't have chrony so the data is only patchy at best. Occasionally I've been at the range when somebody else has had one.)

I'm wondering if the 120gn pill needed to be pushed harder in order to mushroom or kaboom.

Looking back at my photo of Larry, the neck shot which was taken from about 50m and entered the other side hasn't left an exit crater either.

Well done on Larry. Only one bit of bad news. No deer will ever taste as good as Larry will.....All kidding aside- congratulations and he should be a very good eater.

I had a mate nearly lose a deer with the same issue, but his weren't Nosler. His was an SST at about 100. Took a shot to the neck and flipped over feet in there air and stopped. Everyone was standing shaking their hands etc when the bugger woke up and walked off. They put one through the front of the chest but with the adrenaline now running he just kept walking. Found him later (about a couple hours) and I saw him so I finished the job with a 303. Boom, Flop. (215gr round nose every time...) I took the shot as I was not sure if it was the same monster or another one (I wont show the pic as this is your thread..). It happens sometimes.

The first shot was well placed at close the the base of the neck just below the spine. But it pencilled through missing arteries and bone at just the right point....so it does happen, unfortunately.

Originally Posted by Max Headroom

No photo's, sorry. I do have a question though.

I have pretty much always loaded my ammo at or near the starting load so as not to wear out cases or the rifle. I'm just not interested in hot loads.....yet.

From the data that I do have on the 120gn loads, I used the pill on top of 43 gn of 2206H, for a chronied speed of 2800- 2900 fps. (I don't have chrony so the data is only patchy at best. Occasionally I've been at the range when somebody else has had one.)

I'm wondering if the 120gn pill needed to be pushed harder in order to mushroom or kaboom.

Looking back at my photo of Larry, the neck shot which was taken from about 50m and entered the other side hasn't left an exit crater either.

The 120 grn NBT is known to be quite thick jacketed for its weight - I understand the same or thicker than the 140 grn. Mostly they don't make a big exit hole but that should not be the measure of their effectiveness, its what they do on the inside that is important and I have never been able to fault that. They work best though if they hit bone. Mine are driven at 3k.

Well...I for one am very disappointed. You don't resemble Max at all and even your head appears to be of the correct size. Bah, humbug.

Originally Posted by outlander

Well...I for one am very disappointed. You don't resemble Max at all and even your head appears to be of the correct size. Bah, humbug.

.................................. Dude.

Fiction over here.............................................. .................................................. .................reality over here.

Did you have them both in the same box??

Yes @Tahr and @bully, maybe I was a little hasty when I looked at that photo last night on the phone.

However....

Now not to detract at all from Max's achievement. I think we're all stoked for the guy.

The point of impact is not low, as in too low, assuming it wasn't steeply downhill? The point of impact is very close to or right on the top of the heart. In that area, the main pulmonary and aorta arteries run into the heart, surrounded by quite dense and blood filled lung tissue. If the bullet had opened up fast and partially fragmented as it should, you'd expect it to cause huge damage to the main arteries and lungs with a very fast bleed out - I would expect it to run a short distance and not collapse on the spot, but not that far.

The contradiction is that for years guys have been complaining about Nosler BTs breaking up and under penetrating. The flipside is that sometimes they just don't seem to fragment at all, and do what Max has observed. So my comment about the Nosler is probably a bit biased, cos I gave up with them some time ago due to a lack of consistent outcomes with shot placement being mostly equal. I just couldn't get them to perform reliably. I think it was @300_BLK who said recently he gave up with them too for similar reasons.

So yeah, just responded last night to Max's observation that the bullet didn't appear to have created much of a wound channel.

Again, happy to be challenged with this view! Perhaps Nosler has toughened up the 120gr BTs in response to all the criticism of them being too fragile, and I just don't know about it.

Just to say, I'm not ticked off about the Nosler doing what it did. Nobody can make a magic projectile that does everything for everyone.

It's all experience that makes my knowledge a bit richer.

Larry's still hanging in the garage, even if we had to go a little further to get him.

Originally Posted by Max Headroom

.................................. Dude.

Fiction over here.............................................. .................................................. .................reality over here.

Did you have them both in the same box??

Just a shot at humour, mate. Get over it.

Originally Posted by outlander

Just a shot at humour, mate. Get over it.

Just another shot at lobbing it back over the net. I should've used a at the end of the sentence.

That's the thing with conversations online. It's hard to judge intentions at times, as there's no tone or facial expression to balance out what appears to be a grumpy statement.

A shout out to the guy who helped me get Larry.

Well done Max.....you will never forget slaying that beastie......

Congrats on the first deer Max. Always a cool feeling. Be good eating for sure.

Don't be afraid to take the neck and front wheels as well (especially when you are close to the truck). Braised neck roast, or osso bucco, or a blade roast are bloody delicious and simple ways to cook the front end.

Awesome max!

well done max, but why "larry"? was it wearing a leisure suit ?