Thread: Kaimanawa Forest Park

Originally Posted by PillowDribbler

https://www.lrft.co.nz/land.html Third Schedule blocks,clickable link.

Interesting PillowDribbler
Looking at Rangipo North7C (the Waipakihi block) it clearly shows it in two land parcels, one on either side of the road with the Waipakihi road running up the middle of no mans land about 40m wide.
Compared to the Rangipo North 4C block as comparison where Tree Trunk Gorge road runs through the middle of the block

I'm no expert reading this sort of information but my take is the land owners don't own the road

Originally Posted by Bagheera

Thanks @erniec .
The Taupo Council map seems like the same tool as on the Walking Access Govt site but with different data.
I can see a yellow line along some of those roads but it's just described as "road" and its' legal / public access status isn't shown. This is what I could find for Waipakihi Rd:
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I think on this forum we're limited in what we can reliably find out about the legal status, whether it's public road, easement, covenant or customary use. However, this is a great platform for spreading true, surmised or rumoured news. It would be reliable if someone were to post photos or recount any experience of restricted access, preferably with a police file number if a complaint were to be made. Representatives of Helisika and the land owners should also be respectfully invited to tell us what's up for them. Often, there is a period before changes are finalised, when things can be negotiated, which is more efficient for all involved.

That's about what I found too.

I've emailed the registrar of the Maori Land Court asking for clarification.

Tree trunk road appears to be fully owned, but Kaimanawa road has the same separation of the block to allow the road shown on the Land court website map..

I'll put the answer I receive up when it arrives.

On the map the block is shown in grey - Tree trunk road is shown in grey, not so for Waipakahi road or Kaimanawa road.

I phoned the taupo council and was told waipakihi rd does exist on their list of legal roads and Rangipo is owned by Genesis.

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Originally Posted by 25/08IMP

I phoned the taupo council and was told waipakihi rd does exist on their list of legal roads and Rangipo is owned by Genesis.

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When these power schemes were developed part of the deal was to create facilities such as boat ramps, toilet blocks and they also had to allow access for recreational activities.
One guys got in the shit for the rowing setup on Lake Ruataniwha and then got recognized for it.
I would be surprised if the right to to have power stations, headworks etc on public land the public use of access roads isn't a given as well.
I know one or two people who work for Genesis so will make some enquiries but guys from Turangi should know some as well.

Interesting whats coming to the surface with all these junior sleuths doing their stuff!!!

I guess we need a photo of the actual intended barrier to see exactly where it is being placed. I do remember from about 3 months ago when I went down to the river there was a barrier arm blocking off access along a newly gravelled track to the south of Waipakahi road, close to the end of the long straight that leads to what we now know is going to be a summer heli hanger base.

I'm sure there will be Trustees from Rangipo North 7c and Helisika employees that visit this forum, and it would be lovely to hear from them.

Originally Posted by XR500

Interesting whats coming to the surface with all these junior sleuths doing their stuff!!!

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I'm sure there will be Trustees from Rangipo North 7c and Helisika employees that visit this forum, and it would be lovely to hear from them.

“Bush Lawyer” and “Online Analyst” would be the usual terms of endearment .:pacman
Still, i expect there are some incognito here who do have professional standing in these matters and they will be sizing up whether anything needs to be done.

Originally Posted by XR500

Interesting whats coming to the surface with all these junior sleuths doing their stuff!!!

…

I'm sure there will be Trustees from Rangipo North 7c and Helisika employees that visit this forum, and it would be lovely to hear from them.

“Bush Lawyer” and “Online Analyst” would be the usual terms of endearment.
Still, i expect there are some incognito here who do have professional standing in these matters and they will be sizing up whether anything needs to be done.

Hi all
Just checked on the WAMS mapping page and the road is definitely in public ownership. This link will take you to the appropriate map, and if you zoom in on Waipakahi Road it clearly not part of the adjoining land parcels.
https://maps.walkingaccess.govt.nz/V...b90439761cccee

Cheers
Ruger7mm

Originally Posted by Ruger7mm

Hi all
Just checked on the WAMS mapping page and the road is definitely in public ownership. This link will take you to the appropriate map, and if you zoom in on Waipakahi Road it clearly not part of the adjoining land parcels.
https://maps.walkingaccess.govt.nz/V...b90439761cccee

Cheers
Ruger7mm

If I click on the road it gives exactly the same id and information as the surrounding land.

Hi Cigar
If you zoom in you will see the boundaries drawn that allow for the strip of land that is connected and contiguous with the DOC land to the west. These block boundaries define the edge of the two parts of the total area. The two parts are not contiguous or connected other than in title. I'll get it confirmed with WACNZ tomorrow.
Cheers
Ruger7mm

Oh, yep zoomed right in and see what you mean now.

A gate seems a strange idea, as the MTB customers will still need to get in all through the day.

Originally Posted by Cigar

Oh, yep zoomed right in and see what you mean now.

A gate seems a strange idea, as the MTB customers will still need to get in all through the day.

If it is Heli Biking they will probably have "operating hours".

@Ruger7mm thanks
The land parcel info wasn't there when I last looked.
If you go to the outdoor access map it shows DoC conservation land (green) and roads like SH1 (purple) but that land parcel is not marked as either. It shows up a bit like some stream & river beds. We might be getting to the limits of what's displayed on these online maps. They aren't the original legal documents, are they ?

Originally Posted by Bagheera

@Ruger7mm thanks
The land parcel info wasn't there when I last looked.
If you go to the outdoor access map it shows DoC conservation land (green) and roads like SH1 (purple) but that land parcel is not marked as either. It shows up a bit like some stream & river beds. We might be getting to the limits of what's displayed on these online maps. They aren't the original legal documents, are they ?

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You need to switch maps to the property information map, that will then show what Ruger7mm is talking about