Thread: Kaimanawa Forest Park

A big thanks to everyone who working behind the scenes on this one it way out my depth on what to do

Genesis have been pretty good so i imagine that access down Rangipo Intake Rd will be left as is.Helesika and DOC have got some shady stuff going on as regards Waipakihi Rd.

That is being done by both as we speak....

I was recently told by Mark , Taupo NZDA President that the trust had informed him that the road was Maori Land and therefore he was not concerned.
That may have changed :-) .
Others locally have done their homework and are convinced it is Public.
They have been stirring the Council and other parties about it.
There is also an article in the the BFD complete with maps which support the Public Road status.
The problem is to motivate the relevant agencies to enforce that access.
Pennyless

Originally Posted by pennyless

I was recently told by Mark , Taupo NZDA President that the trust had informed him that the road was Maori Land and therefore he was not concerned.
That may have changed :-) .
Others locally have done their homework and are convinced it is Public.
They have been stirring the Council and other parties about it.
There is also an article in the the BFD complete with maps which support the Public Road status.
The problem is to motivate the relevant agencies to enforce that access.
Pennyless

Thanks for that. have you got a link to the BFD article?? I have tried but failed to find it. Appears they don't have a search function

It wasn't an article as such, it was a Letter to the Editor.

https://thebfd.co.nz/2022/07/25/publ...-RUfN5_4zDTTII

I think it is important to understand that Waipakihi road is not necessarily a "PUBLIC" road as such. It is a road formed for public works. It is equally important to understand that it is not owned by Iwi. The two questions myself and others are endeavoring to clarify are -
- Do the public have a legal right to use as access.
- Do Iwi have the right to deny public access.

Clarification is needed and I have no doubt that it will be forthcoming.

Originally Posted by XR500

Somebody from FMC or NZDA should be fronting this. Its a bloody public access issue, its not just of interest to a hunting and shooting forum.

As mentioned earlier I have contacted FMC and Megan is going to have a quiet chat to a local Kaumatua first off. Below is a piece from her email to me.

"Happy for you to share that FMC are looking at it and provide my email address so people can contact me if they would like to contribute information."

megan.dimozantos@fmc.org.nz

She also mentioned that she has been in touch with the Sika foundation and Cam Speedy and Mike Main are also working on this.

Hi all
The land the road is currently on does belong to the crown due to been taken under the Public Works Act in 1969 for electricity generation, however section 48 of the PWA allows the crown to also further that use if they please. That could be public access along the road, however it would also mean that LINZ the controlling authority would have to also permit the construction of a gate and closing the access. As the road corridor is drawn there is no room for parking along it, and the current area used for parking and access to the Waipakihi River is definitely on private land, so I am sure a solution can be found. Megan from FMC has this information and is currently in discussion with the Trust so I think it would be timely to let her approaches be made and see where to from there.

As to parking; Waipakihi road is a nominal 25 meters wide. I'd imagine development of rudimentary parking would not be a problem.

Where is DOC and their statutory responsibility to foster outdoor recreation and the public use of the conservation estate?

DOC don't seem to gaf if you refer back to page 10 where they replied to @Tahr s email. They confirmed the roads will be closing.

Originally Posted by Ross Nolan

Where is DOC and their statutory responsibility to foster outdoor recreation and the public use of the conservation estate?

They’re in Wellington CBD politburo with their heads up some dark places

Originally Posted by Dazzh

I think it is important to understand that Waipakihi road is not necessarily a "PUBLIC" road as such. It is a road formed for public works. It is equally important to understand that it is not owned by Iwi. The two questions myself and others are endeavoring to clarify are -
- Do the public have a legal right to use as access.
- Do Iwi have the right to deny public access.

Clarification is needed and I have no doubt that it will be forthcoming.

Roads are defined under the LGA and there is no ability to restrict legal access unless in specific circumstances which don’t apply here. Be interesting to see nzdas response.

Originally Posted by Ross Nolan

Where is DOC and their statutory responsibility to foster outdoor recreation and the public use of the conservation estate?

When the NZFS became DOC back in 1st April 1987 the original name was The Department of Conservation and Recreation.
......That name lasted about 7 months... The Green fairies sprinkled their fairy dust over the name and it dropped the 'Recreation' bit.