Thread: Kaimanawa Forest Park

The road easement is 25 meters wide, and the gate is considerably less than that.
Just drive around the bloody thing. DOC won't care, it isn't their land, and the trust don't own it either, so as long as you don't drive on trust land they have no standing.

The original gifting of tongariro national park was quite a small area around the vents of the three volcanoes. The land down by the desert road was not part of the original gift.

https://sacredland.org/wp-content/up...-mgmt-plan.pdf

Originally Posted by Ross Nolan

The road easement is 25 meters wide, and the gate is considerably less than that.
Just drive around the bloody thing. DOC won't care, it isn't their land, and the trust don't own it either, so as long g as you don't drive on trust land they have no standing.

Note
Comment made for satirical purposes.
Always consult with your lawyer before starting any course of action based on advice from Ross Nolan.

Could say the same about my comment. I meant prevent by legal determination like an injunction.
Speaking as a bush lawyer …

So do we know who ordered the gates to be put in? There must have been some financial or budget approval for the installation of that gate?
Follow the money…

The money came from Shane Jones and the election bribe account (provincial growth fund), so in effect from you.
The details are laid out early in the thread in the HELISIKA/Trust agreement.
Essentially the PFF pays construction costs, helisika pays maintenance and operational costs over a 15 year period and the trust owns the buildings and improvements.

Originally Posted by stug

The original gifting of tongariro national park was quite a small area around the vents of the three volcanoes. The land down by the desert road was not part of the original gift.

The land the trust and road are on were from purchases subsequent to the original gift of the summits- as your pdf. Are you saying the purchases should not stand?
If so, I sold a house in Birkenhead last century I'd quite like back, and I'd quite like to reexamine the sale of my great grandparents farm at Pirongia also

Originally Posted by Ross Nolan

The land the trust and road are on were from purchases subsequent to the original gift of the summits- as your pdf. Are you saying the purchases should not stand?
If so, I sold a house in Birkenhead last century I'd quite like back, and I'd quite like to reexamine the sale of my great grandparents farm at Pirongia also

No, the way I read someone else’s post it seemed as though they were saying the part of TNP near the desert Rd was part of the land gifted to the “park”. I was just showing the land near desert Rd was acquired through other means.

If he didnt see that other gate they might have been removed.

Maybe the gate is just a muck stirring exercise to get attention and maybe some Koha? It wouldn't be the first time...

They have already received 'koha' from the taxpayer to the tune of, (back of the fag packet calc) a million. Possibly a bit less.

Guys, guys, guys.....wait until the "T" word creeps into this debate. Treaty. And the "C" word...Co-governance. The last 23 pages of facts/opinions on this thread may well become redundant. If Maori sense they have been wronged in any way, and they can gain from that, they will go for redress. Watch this space.

Originally Posted by Ranger 888

Guys, guys, guys.....wait until the "T" word creeps into this debate. Treaty. And the "C" word...Co-governance. The last 23 pages of facts/opinions on this thread may well become redundant. If Maori sense they have been wronged in any way, and they can gain from that, they will go for redress. Watch this space.

Got anything constructive to say about the topic? Or do you just want to voice your prejudice.

This morning I received this email from TDC CEO Gareth Green.

Hi Darrin.



Further to the below email to Councillor Mack, he has referred it to me for further investigation. My team are currently looking into who owns the land and therefore who’s asset Waipakahi Road is, as well as what rights of public access are over this land. While it is clear that it is not Council land or asset, we should be able to get that clarity for you. This may take a few days, but I wanted to let you know that we will get back to you in due course.



Cheers



Gareth Green – Apiha Iho Matua - Chief Executive Officer

Will keep you posted.