Thread: Kaimanawa Forest Park

Absolutely, the "conflict of interest “ here between iwi and helisika stinks. Paying for a concession, Lock out the public and then day "we can fly you!" Is beyond reproach. I hope access remains and that people clean up their act, comprehend kaitiakitanga and respect the great asset that we should all have.

Im with Stumpy,the writing was on the wall it was getting pretty ugly.They still might let walking access.

The rule breaking looked to me to be within the park rather than on private land. A sign placed on the park boundary against taking vehicles across at the river as happens elsewhere should suffice.

Originally Posted by Woody

The rule breaking looked to me to be within the park rather than on private land. A sign placed on the park boundary against taking vehicles across at the river as happens elsewhere should suffice.

One problem is the park boundary is on the far side of the river, so people have already driven across before they see the sign.

Thanks Kickinwings, that helps clarify who doesn't have a legal interest in the road, and also the gazette notice that notes the land was National Park before the acquisition, meaning if the land was no longer needed for the purpose it was taken under the PWA it would be offered back to DOC in the first instance. I am looking forward to the response from TDC now, and whom probably do not wish to be responsible for a road in disrepair.

Bearing in mind that Genisis still reqykre these roads for monitoring and maintainance of their assets so indicating a possible sharing of road maintainance.

Originally Posted by Woody

Bearing in mind that Genisis still reqykre these roads for monitoring and maintainance of their assets so indicating a possible sharing of road maintainance.

Waipakahi road was formed to access a gravel pit required for the building of the power projects so as such may no longer be deemed as required by the power companies.

Originally Posted by Shearer

Waipakahi road was formed to access a gravel pit required for the building of the power projects so as such may no longer be deemed as required by the power companies.

There is a river gauge at the bottom of the hill on the downstream side

TDC initially said it was DOC land when asked via email, and when I checked with the DOC person responsible for boundaries and was told it absolutely wasn't.... TDC decided they would check and get back to us. As yet, nothing.

There is something going on in the background I am beginning to believe, and I would be very unsurprised to find that the "road" has been used as a bargaining chip in settlement negotiations. I would love to be proved wrong, and of course I realise that the Crown can pretty much do as it pleases, but it just isn't adding up.

Something else to think about is that everybody involved in the current talks -FMC, the Iwi, DOC, the settlement negotiators et al are aware of this thread. What I hope the parties who are in elected positions take time to think on is there is an enormous amount of feeling here for the continuation of this particular access point. DOC Turangi and FMC (singing from the same sheet, it appears- and I think there is another story tucked away in there) saying that there are other access points - seriously? I'd like to see someone get to the current road end in less than 8 hours carrying a pack. Essentially it would be a 3 day trip to go for a hunt where the old bridge used to be.

I'm prepared to make this a vote deciding issue for me - in both local and national elections.

Yep.

What about contacting the local press and submitting an article about it?
Starting to make noiseand spreading the noise.

CNI members have arranged a meet with TDC.

Desert Rd closed Thur/Fri 9 AM/6 PM.

So "Woody" asked me to have a quick look at two other roads accessing the Kaimanawas from the Desert Rd and also asked me to post my findings. Tree Trunk Gorge Road and Rangipo Intake Rd.

We use a website called grip.co.nz. It is a GIS website the at you pay a subscription. It is basically a user friendly version of our government cadastral system (called Landonline) and gives you access to survey plans and draft copies of titles etc as well as a NZ wide Aerial photo, it also shows ownership details and so on so is pretty handy (in my line of work anyway). You can sign up for a free trail to check it out.

My findings are below.

Tree trunk Gorge Rd.

Goes through two separate parcels. Part Rangipo North 4B Block and Part Rangipo North 4C Block.

The whole road was surveyed in 1981 on SO 33384-SO 33386 (attached) however it looks like this was never legalised through the gazetting process and so has remained in ownership/part of the original parcels.

Part Rangipo North 4B is the first section covering about the first 900m of the road.

It was gazetted as National Park in 1953

Gazette 1953 p1767



The second half through to the river is on Part Rangipo North 4C Block on Maori land (Title 494393). This is private land.



Rangipo Intake Rd

Goes through Part Rangipo North No 6C Block – Maori Land

Road was surveyed In 1971 by SO 28281

The road has been separated from its original parcel however I hit a bit of a wall with trying to find more info on this lot. I suspect it will be in the old Deeds system which are physically held by LINZ and haven’t been entered online. You are able to get them to send a copy so I’ll see if I can track down some more info.

The parcels covering Rangipo Intake Road are split in two and there is a small section in the middle where the physical road isn’t covered. There was a survey completed to fix this issue in 1974 but it appears that this was never gazetted and so never actually happened. There is a new recent easement survey (03/05/2022) showing that is being completed at the moment which might be the fix for Genisis for this issue. The gap in the road is shown below. The surveyor undertaking this survey is XXXXXXXX who seems to do a lot of work in this area (he has signed all the recent survey plans around the place).

I have attached another more recent survey plan LT 454308 from 2018 that looks like Genisis have possibly attempted to buy the land covering Rangipo Intake Rd and the right bank of the dam. An LT plan is a survey plan that has been approved by LINZ (in regards to the survey work) but the legal process to complete it and make it legal hasn’t been finished or has been abandoned. This seems to be a bit of a theme with the roads in this area so perhaps the land owners have been chopping and changing their minds or are tricky to deal with. The newer easement plan I mentioned earlier is probably Genisis trying to secure access to the dam by easement (right of way) rather than buying the road parcels as separate lots.

So to me it looks as if Waipakihi Rd is the only one that actually got the road land "taken" (or removed from the original parcel) all be it for "Water Development" purposes.

Let me know if you need me to take a squiz at anything else.

Cheers

Thanks for the input on this.