Thread: Kaimanawa Forest Park

Originally Posted by Nathan F

I think one thing is for certain - If the gate is locked and Helisika get their way it sets an extremely dangerous precedent for ALL back country users. Not just us self-centered hunters.

It will end badly .

Yep agree with this.
It sorta seems to me it's like the "possession is 9 tenths of the law" type of thing.

its how these things go
the gate is put in but never closed
then the gate starts getting closed
the gate then gets locked
no access anymore

gas torches are big and messy, the ones that do it up here use 18v makita angle grinders and cut off disks

I do enjoy when small sticks and or super glue finds its way into the locks key part

Originally Posted by Bill999

its how these things go
the gate is put in but never closed
then the gate starts getting closed
the gate then gets locked
no access anymore

gas torches are big and messy, the ones that do it up here use 18v makita angle grinders and cut off disks

I do enjoy when small sticks and or super glue finds its way into the locks key part

Yeah, understand that...but in cases like this that kinda response just helps validate the decision to close access, imo. Can help confirm the view that those who used/want to use the place are just arseholes ..... ?

As @Tahr said earlier, the silence from the various advocacy organisations (and public entities) is disappointing, if not unsurprising. And its nearly always easier to stop stuff from happening in the first place, rather than trying to reverse it once it has happened. Maybe crowd funding for legal advice as to what the options might be (or NZDA members asking their executive what their advice said) ?

While speculation about vandalism of locks that currently aren't in place is probably not in our interest, the facts seem to be that the only illegal action by anyone so far is the construction of gate structures on a Crown owned piece of land.

The Crown does appear to have given out a song sheet to the various interested (and some supposedly independent) bodies involved, as it is almost inconceivable that they could all be so closely aligned by some random arrangement of the stars.....

Originally Posted by Maxx

... its nearly always easier to stop stuff from happening in the first place...

I agree 100%. It got to be a lot easier to try and keep the land in Crown ownership, than to get it changed back once it's been transferred to private owners.

This here has had a update back in October,a lot more research gone on.Kudos to researcher ya earned Christmas break.Cheers https://www.herengaanuku.govt.nz/abo...ipakihi-roads/

Seems to be a government department but what its maori language means is incomprehensible to me.

Outdoor Access Commission renamed apparently, interestingly appears to be involved in this case a reduction in outdoor access for the public.
My take on it anyway.

Am I reading that correctly?? Definitely crown owned land for the road access, at the moment they can't do a bloody thing to stop public access and there is no real reasoning that it is going back to the Maori trust apart from back in the late 1800s there was no access routes or roads over the land (like most of the undeveloped country in that era).

Who was the “former owner” of the Waipakihi Road land ?
I had thought it was taken from the Tongariro National Park or equivalent at the time.
This is the only piece if land that is proposed to be returned to “the former or adjacent land owners”.
That strongly suggests that the adjacent land owners are distinct from the former land owners and that its transfer to the Lake Rotoaira Forest Trust is not inevitable.
As @Tahr says, there is plenty of scope for legal debate but this may enable the road land to be transferred to secure publuc ownership and access.

https://www.facebook.com/index.php?s...8VgA1u3hs-rzch

this post shows a lockd gate - presumably up to the hanger?

Cant access the photo @stumpys. Can you save it and post it here?

Gates are not locked but road has been renovated and all the pot holes are fixed to native .As from there even a good 4x4 will have issues getting to the river after the last rain.

Originally Posted by kawekakid

...all the pot holes are fixed to native..

At least something good has come out of this debacle. Mind you, the pot holes did a good job of keeping out civvies looking for a spot to camp just off SH1. An increase in that won't help.