Thread: Kaimanawa Forest Park

Thanks @PillowDribbler. Page 22 for those that don't want to wade their way through the whole report.

edit: Oooops, Mohawk .308 beat me to it!

Page 22. There ya go.

Originally Posted by PillowDribbler

https://www.lrft.co.nz/files/2021_LR...rt_-_FINAL.pdf Page 23

Extract:

Kaimanawa Alpine Adventures
(Joint Venture with Kaimanawa 3B2A/3B2B Trusts and a license agreement with Helisika Limited)
In 2019, this tourism venture operation for a Heli-biking experience was developed in a tripartite agreement with the Kaimanawa Trusts and Helisika. Other activities such as Heli- scenic flights, Heli-hiking, and Heli-hunting would also be delivered in this venture.
A Kiosk, Helicopter Hangar, and toilet are proposed to be built at the current car park area on Waipakihi Road (Rangipo North 7C Block), and these buildings are to be the base of operations. Construction would commence in early December 2021, with the tourism venture being in full operation in the 2022 summer season.
The Provincial Growth Fund funded the construction of all building and track infrastructure, the buildings maintained by Helisika for the duration of the Joint Venture (minimum of 15 years), and ownership of the buildings transferred to LRFT at the end of construction. In terms of the Joint Venture agreement, Helisika is to pay for any costs in excess of the Kaimanawa PGF funding amount, and Helisika will pay LRFT and the Kaimanawa Trusts for track/building use on a (royalty) per person basis.

So Helisika has entered into 3way for 15 years out of a base at waipakahi rd. Heli bike,hunt and scenic flights. Royalties on a per person basis paid to hapu. I'd say on same lines as DoC concession.
It also reads everyone but that the hapu is stumping up cash.
Money for jam.


3 ways, always one person that feels left out. Wonder how long it will actually last.

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It could or should also mean cheaper flights up into Thunderbolt and surrounds. Which by default will mean more hunters.

Originally Posted by Lauries Hut

It could or should also mean cheaper flights up into Thunderbolt and surrounds. Which by default will mean more hunters.

Don’t count on anything being cheap with those money grubbers involved

Ok. So to attempt to secure ongoing public vehicle access to the kaimanawa park boundary will require lobby to MP's.

Originally Posted by Woody

Ok. So to attempt to secure ongoing public vehicle access to the kaimanawa park boundary will require lobby to MP's.

My email to an official:

Hello xx,

Please can you confirm or not that the Waipakahi Rd access is going to be gated and closed in the (near) future?

If so, will DOC negotiate and ensure that alternative access to the lower Waipakahi Valley is available for the public?

Thanks

Originally Posted by Mohawk .308

That’s all good but they’re looking at blocking public access to the Waipakahi, would you be happy with that?

Definitely not.
As Nathan says don’t count on cheaper flights. Heli Sika are a commercial enterprise, there to make money, not provide cheaper access into the back country.
The cynic in me sees them making access difficult to the foot hunter so you have to pay them to burn kero to get you up there..

Originally Posted by Lauries Hut

Definitely not.
As Nathan says don’t count on cheaper flights. Heli Sika are a commercial enterprise, there to make money, not provide cheaper access into the back country.
The cynic in me sees them making access difficult to the foot hunter so you have to pay them to burn kero to get you up there..

And probably a couple of new huts on the true left of the river..

This regarding paper roads.

Useful info there @Dazzh , but we are not talking a paper road in this instance. Paper roads were a late 18th/early 19th century occurrence, back when New Zealand's economy was principally agriculture and (native)forestry. Most paper roads soon became developed roads (dirt tracks, metalled roads etc). The roads most improved were those that led to a from the most productive lands. Paper roads that led to less productive land were not developed, or were man made tracks that when the area experienced the great depression became unmaintained.

The roads that lead off to the East of the Desert road were constructed as a result of the enormous Tongariro power project on the 1950's/1960's. They were required to access rivers and tunnels to construct water diversion infrastructure and power station locations.

To permit this work to occur on Maori owned land (or NZFS/LINZ land), areas of land and road alignments were required to be set aside using section 40?? of the Public Works act, to ensure the Crown maintained permanent access and ownership of said infrastructure and roads.

As forum members have discovered (principally on WAMS) the Waipakahi road alignment itself appears to not be inside the private land boundaries that constitute the Maori land either side of the road. This would INDICATE that the road itself is not privately owned...

One of us is gonna have to go for a drive and see what, if anything, is actually happening on the Waipakahi road. Anything to either side of the road is no concern of ours, as its private land.

I'll be there on Sunday.

Somebody is paying $370,000 rates for Rangipo Intake Rd and environs,fits in with 25/08IMP info owned by Genisis.There is easement rights over the bits of Maori land that protrude into this block.If gates go up they might run some sort of token or pad pass system to get into the Kaimanawas to control some of the moron activity.

Can we please run a token/pad pass system on my rural road to control some of the moron activity