Thread: Ministry for Hunting and Fishing confirmed

Originally Posted by Ned

How is he going to manage the conflict when on one hand hunters want game to shoot and on the other forestry and agriculture are in his ear about the amount of feral animals around?

you know something????
that is so bloody easy to fix its not funny
its dead simple in fact.
yo uwant them gone??? you want them controlled?? right open your bloody gates and let people access them OR we will charge you to do it via less palitable means.
the airborne control via shooting has so many advantages in these modern times at thier disposal,the deer/pigs wont last if the $$$ are put in to put birds in the air....there was whinging on TV in last 48 hours from southland about animal numbers again...
agree 100%tahr we need to give them a chance to do something...

Originally Posted by Ned

How is he going to manage the conflict when on one hand hunters want game to shoot and on the other forestry and agriculture are in his ear about the amount of feral animals around?

I work in forestry, but wonder why animal pests to our business are any more someone elses problem than the insects that might challenge hort crops, for example?

For years we have had to deal with goats coing over boundary from adjoining PCL, and DoC eithera rent interested or unable too fund control on that land ..... why is it now different 'cos its deer?

In my observation most of the grizzling is coming for those engaged in new forestry planting so they had the opportunity to assess the challenges associated with the subject lands prior to acquisition?

Originally Posted by Maxx

I work in forestry, but wonder why animal pests to our business are any more someone elses problem than the insects that might challenge hort crops, for example?

For years we have had to deal with goats coing over boundary from adjoining PCL, and DoC eithera rent interested or unable too fund control on that land ..... why is it now different 'cos its deer?

In my observation most of the grizzling is coming for those engaged in new forestry planting so they had the opportunity to assess the challenges associated with the subject lands prior to acquisition?

Because Billionaire/Multinational Hedge funds neeb their carbon credit tax scams subsidised even more.

Sone reasonable questions might be -

Is it genuinely possible to find a realistic, enduring and sustainable solution to wild animal management that adequately satisfies the values of all parties?

If so, what could this look like? What changes to legislation would need to happen to allow implementation? What changes to legislation would need to happen to make it enduring?

Has any historical state of affairs in wild animal management in NZ met any of the criteria of 'an acceptable compromise to all', 'realistic' or 'enduring and sustainable' ? What can be learned from the past?

Yeh I get that access will be a quick win.
But good luck to him managing the beast that is health and safety and public liability with this.

we look to the past ,but wear blinkers,when we do so.
forsure the numbers are high right now....BUT unlike in the 40s.... the animals dont have the large untraveled areas as breeding grounds..they arent building up unobserved, eg even our big stations are no longer a two day ride out to the back for a muster 3 times a year. its hour or two on a quad bike or 10 minutes in a whirly bird.
we arent bombing up mobs with an opensighted 303 and hoping for a kill or 2.
you lot are pretty darn sharp with modern rifles/scopes n rangefinders...400 yards is no longer a very long shot for most of you.
thermals have just about replaced a spotlight...and even the spotlights are leap years ahead of what we had...my wee magtoch is better than the landing light powered by tractor battery in a wheel barrow....its not only a hell of a lot more portable,it lasts longer and has better light.
when allowed in to have a go..and the shackles are removed,we the general public DO HAVE A CHANCE..... but removing those shackles to begin with needs to happen.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

we look to the past ,but wear blinkers,when we do so.
forsure the numbers are high right now....BUT unlike in the 40s.... the animals dont have the large untraveled areas as breeding grounds..they arent building up unobserved, eg even our big stations are no longer a two day ride out to the back for a muster 3 times a year. its hour or two on a quad bike or 10 minutes in a whirly bird.
we arent bombing up mobs with an opensighted 303 and hoping for a kill or 2.
you lot are pretty darn sharp with modern rifles/scopes n rangefinders...400 yards is no longer a very long shot for most of you.
thermals have just about replaced a spotlight...and even the spotlights are leap years ahead of what we had...my wee magtoch is better than the landing light powered by tractor battery in a wheel barrow....its not only a hell of a lot more portable,it lasts longer and has better light.
when allowed in to have a go..and the shackles are removed,we the general public DO HAVE A CHANCE..... but removing those shackles to begin with needs to happen.

Absolutely. Night shooting has come a long way since having to have a spotlight hooked up to the ute battery or worse having to lug a 12v battery around on foot.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

we look to the past ,but wear blinkers,when we do so.
forsure the numbers are high right now....BUT unlike in the 40s.... the animals dont have the large untraveled areas as breeding grounds..they arent building up unobserved, eg even our big stations are no longer a two day ride out to the back for a muster 3 times a year. its hour or two on a quad bike or 10 minutes in a whirly bird.
we arent bombing up mobs with an opensighted 303 and hoping for a kill or 2.
you lot are pretty darn sharp with modern rifles/scopes n rangefinders...400 yards is no longer a very long shot for most of you.
thermals have just about replaced a spotlight...and even the spotlights are leap years ahead of what we had...my wee magtoch is better than the landing light powered by tractor battery in a wheel barrow....its not only a hell of a lot more portable,it lasts longer and has better light.
when allowed in to have a go..and the shackles are removed,we the general public DO HAVE A CHANCE..... but removing those shackles to begin with needs to happen.

The issue this time is not with public land and deer invading private from public. Its the reverse. Having sold my farm in the king country at the peak of the carbon buyup, I had quite some time to talk with the cullers sent in to remove animals. My farm was pretty easy because I actively managed the populations of deer, goats, pigs and possums. That meant that over 900hectares, I didnt allow a deer population of more than 300 animals, a pig population of more than 100 and a goat population of 1-200.
To achieve that I had to cull around 75 deer a year- mostly does, up too 200 pigs a year and 60-70 goats a year.
The result was that in the forestry initial cull, they shot maybe 100 deer, 80 pigs and next to no goats as Id already done it. But they were telling me that the other properties they had bought they were getting initial culls of 700-1000 deer per property.
That tells me that like me, the farmers loved seeing and having animals about. But also that they were making no attempt to manage them.
Thats because management takes effort, time and concessions. Dealing with 300 odd carcases, if you are not prepared too shoot too waste, is a big job in itself. You also cant just let anyone in to hunt them unchaperoned. Because sadly there is quite a level of inexperience and poor decision making in the wider hunting community. You have to actively target females, you have to find a way to make allowing recreational hunters onto your land cover the costs, and you have to be prepared to do some kill to waste.

What this government could possibly do to help would be look at ways to make it easier for wild game meat to be allowed onto the local market.

What Doc could do is look at finding greater and easier access solutions to public land.

What recreational hunters could do is become a bit more professional and reliable.

I'm not saying it's not possible. Just trying to look at his position from all angles. You can't keep all the people happy all the time.
If he's going to balance this then some people are going to be having property rights curtailed surely. Where will the liability be when open access into high feral number areas results in numptys letting stock out, causing damage to tracks, bombing up feral animals and just leaving carcasses everywhere etc etc.

I just find it an interesting set up that this guy has landed these 3 (2?) portfolios.

A simple change to legislation by Govt that allows hinds only by WARO will be a win win for many. We call that a game management approach. Could have been applied to tahr but the National Park regulations said '0' density. In its current form as you know - boom and bust cycle.

man that is a pessimistic/negative outlook...did someone pee in your coolaid this morning????
liability will be where its always been.....if someone causes damage and its proven they will be liable to pay...and told to piss off and not come back... but you cant have it both ways...if you stop everyone coming on...and arent actively seen to be controlling numbers,you cant moan about them and/or ask for a handout of taxpayers money to fix an issue of your own making.

Bloody hell, the guy hasnt even had a chance to sit behind his new office desk! The outcome of this coalition as a bloody sight better than we've had for years! I'd like to think it will work for all the parties involved and instead of participating in the great Kiwi dogmatic tall poppy syndrome, Im gonna give this 3 part coalition the thumbs up. Theres enough members on here that said nothing would ever happen, that if National or ACT got in nothing would happen. And then we add in Winny - well hes been around long enough to actually be very good at plenty of stuff, Foreign Affairs is an excellent example. And I doubt ACT would have got the concessions they did if NZ First werent on the same page. So overall we've had a fantastic day. Now stop all the BS and get in behind them and offer constructive comments rather than all the negative BS that many are so happy to dish out.

Originally Posted by Husky1600#2

Bloody hell, the guy hasnt even had a chance to sit behind his new office desk! The outcome of this coalition as a bloody sight better than we've had for years! I'd like to think it will work for all the parties involved and instead of participating in the great Kiwi dogmatic tall poppy syndrome, Im gonna give this 3 part coalition the thumbs up. Theres enough members on here that said nothing would ever happen, that if National or ACT got in nothing would happen. And then we add in Winny - well hes been around long enough to actually be very good at plenty of stuff, Foreign Affairs is an excellent example. And I doubt ACT would have got the concessions they did if NZ First werent on the same page. So overall we've had a fantastic day. Now stop all the BS and get in behind them and offer constructive comments rather than all the negative BS that many are so happy to dish out.

POST OF THE YEAR!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Husky1600#2

Bloody hell, the guy hasnt even had a chance to sit behind his new office desk! The outcome of this coalition as a bloody sight better than we've had for years! I'd like to think it will work for all the parties involved and instead of participating in the great Kiwi dogmatic tall poppy syndrome, Im gonna give this 3 part coalition the thumbs up. Theres enough members on here that said nothing would ever happen, that if National or ACT got in nothing would happen. And then we add in Winny - well hes been around long enough to actually be very good at plenty of stuff, Foreign Affairs is an excellent example. And I doubt ACT would have got the concessions they did if NZ First werent on the same page. So overall we've had a fantastic day. Now stop all the BS and get in behind them and offer constructive comments rather than all the negative BS that many are so happy to dish out.

Heck I'm trying to help the guy find some solutions

Originally Posted by Husky1600#2

...And then we add in Winny - well hes been around long enough to actually be very good at plenty of stuff, Foreign Affairs is an excellent example. A..

I still cringe at the thought of Mahuta representing us on the international stage. I can just imagine foreign diplomats/pollies thinking WTF????