Thread: Ministry for Hunting and Fishing confirmed

Originally Posted by Tahr

- It might even mean subsidising private land owners adjacent to the DOC estate and other high population areas to get them to participate in aerial/pro culling.

but if they dont allow access they get zip.......

[QUOTE=kotuku;1520672]he need to tell DOC twig& tweet and F&G to pull their heads in -a new broom sweeps clean.

yes but look at who we get as Conservation minister - that to me as a hunter is a real worry

we look to the past ,but wear blinkers,when we do so.
forsure the numbers are high right now....BUT unlike in the 40s.... the animals dont have the large untraveled areas as breeding grounds..they arent building up unobserved, eg even our big stations are no longer a two day ride out to the back for a muster 3 times a year. its hour or two on a quad bike or 10 minutes in a whirly bird.
we arent bombing up mobs with an opensighted 303 and hoping for a kill or 2.
you lot are pretty darn sharp with modern rifles/scopes n rangefinders...400 yards is no longer a very long shot for most of you.
thermals have just about replaced a spotlight...and even the spotlights are leap years ahead of what we had...my wee magtoch is better than the landing light powered by tractor battery in a wheel barrow....its not only a hell of a lot more portable,it lasts longer and has better light.
when allowed in to have a go..and the shackles are removed,we the general public DO HAVE A CHANCE..... but removing those shackles to begin with needs to happen.

I'm not saying it's not possible. Just trying to look at his position from all angles. You can't keep all the people happy all the time.
If he's going to balance this then some people are going to be having property rights curtailed surely. Where will the liability be when open access into high feral number areas results in numptys letting stock out, causing damage to tracks, bombing up feral animals and just leaving carcasses everywhere etc etc.

I just find it an interesting set up that this guy has landed these 3 (2?) portfolios.

A simple change to legislation by Govt that allows hinds only by WARO will be a win win for many. We call that a game management approach. Could have been applied to tahr but the National Park regulations said '0' density. In its current form as you know - boom and bust cycle.

man that is a pessimistic/negative outlook...did someone pee in your coolaid this morning????
liability will be where its always been.....if someone causes damage and its proven they will be liable to pay...and told to piss off and not come back... but you cant have it both ways...if you stop everyone coming on...and arent actively seen to be controlling numbers,you cant moan about them and/or ask for a handout of taxpayers money to fix an issue of your own making.

Bloody hell, the guy hasnt even had a chance to sit behind his new office desk! The outcome of this coalition as a bloody sight better than we've had for years! I'd like to think it will work for all the parties involved and instead of participating in the great Kiwi dogmatic tall poppy syndrome, Im gonna give this 3 part coalition the thumbs up. Theres enough members on here that said nothing would ever happen, that if National or ACT got in nothing would happen. And then we add in Winny - well hes been around long enough to actually be very good at plenty of stuff, Foreign Affairs is an excellent example. And I doubt ACT would have got the concessions they did if NZ First werent on the same page. So overall we've had a fantastic day. Now stop all the BS and get in behind them and offer constructive comments rather than all the negative BS that many are so happy to dish out.

Originally Posted by Husky1600#2

Bloody hell, the guy hasnt even had a chance to sit behind his new office desk! The outcome of this coalition as a bloody sight better than we've had for years! I'd like to think it will work for all the parties involved and instead of participating in the great Kiwi dogmatic tall poppy syndrome, Im gonna give this 3 part coalition the thumbs up. Theres enough members on here that said nothing would ever happen, that if National or ACT got in nothing would happen. And then we add in Winny - well hes been around long enough to actually be very good at plenty of stuff, Foreign Affairs is an excellent example. And I doubt ACT would have got the concessions they did if NZ First werent on the same page. So overall we've had a fantastic day. Now stop all the BS and get in behind them and offer constructive comments rather than all the negative BS that many are so happy to dish out.

POST OF THE YEAR!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Husky1600#2

Bloody hell, the guy hasnt even had a chance to sit behind his new office desk! The outcome of this coalition as a bloody sight better than we've had for years! I'd like to think it will work for all the parties involved and instead of participating in the great Kiwi dogmatic tall poppy syndrome, Im gonna give this 3 part coalition the thumbs up. Theres enough members on here that said nothing would ever happen, that if National or ACT got in nothing would happen. And then we add in Winny - well hes been around long enough to actually be very good at plenty of stuff, Foreign Affairs is an excellent example. And I doubt ACT would have got the concessions they did if NZ First werent on the same page. So overall we've had a fantastic day. Now stop all the BS and get in behind them and offer constructive comments rather than all the negative BS that many are so happy to dish out.

Heck I'm trying to help the guy find some solutions

I like think the positive but the cynic in me .....

Guess time will tell......

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Originally Posted by Husky1600#2

...And then we add in Winny - well hes been around long enough to actually be very good at plenty of stuff, Foreign Affairs is an excellent example. A..

I still cringe at the thought of Mahuta representing us on the international stage. I can just imagine foreign diplomats/pollies thinking WTF????

Originally Posted by Ned

How is he going to manage the conflict when on one hand hunters want game to shoot and on the other forestry and agriculture are in his ear about the amount of feral animals around?

I work in forestry, but wonder why animal pests to our business are any more someone elses problem than the insects that might challenge hort crops, for example?

For years we have had to deal with goats coing over boundary from adjoining PCL, and DoC eithera rent interested or unable too fund control on that land ..... why is it now different 'cos its deer?

In my observation most of the grizzling is coming for those engaged in new forestry planting so they had the opportunity to assess the challenges associated with the subject lands prior to acquisition?

Originally Posted by Maxx

I work in forestry, but wonder why animal pests to our business are any more someone elses problem than the insects that might challenge hort crops, for example?

For years we have had to deal with goats coing over boundary from adjoining PCL, and DoC eithera rent interested or unable too fund control on that land ..... why is it now different 'cos its deer?

In my observation most of the grizzling is coming for those engaged in new forestry planting so they had the opportunity to assess the challenges associated with the subject lands prior to acquisition?

Because Billionaire/Multinational Hedge funds neeb their carbon credit tax scams subsidised even more.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

we look to the past ,but wear blinkers,when we do so.
forsure the numbers are high right now....BUT unlike in the 40s.... the animals dont have the large untraveled areas as breeding grounds..they arent building up unobserved, eg even our big stations are no longer a two day ride out to the back for a muster 3 times a year. its hour or two on a quad bike or 10 minutes in a whirly bird.
we arent bombing up mobs with an opensighted 303 and hoping for a kill or 2.
you lot are pretty darn sharp with modern rifles/scopes n rangefinders...400 yards is no longer a very long shot for most of you.
thermals have just about replaced a spotlight...and even the spotlights are leap years ahead of what we had...my wee magtoch is better than the landing light powered by tractor battery in a wheel barrow....its not only a hell of a lot more portable,it lasts longer and has better light.
when allowed in to have a go..and the shackles are removed,we the general public DO HAVE A CHANCE..... but removing those shackles to begin with needs to happen.

Absolutely. Night shooting has come a long way since having to have a spotlight hooked up to the ute battery or worse having to lug a 12v battery around on foot.

we didnt have side by sides or even 4 wheel farm bikes back then either.... we havent just had a world war ,loosing large proportion of young outdoors men either... covid gave deer 2 years break...not even in same ballpark... for sure the herds are much more widespread than they were back then..but arguably so are people...there are a LOT less remote areas that arent watched/hunted.
and lets be completely honest about it...
if we really wanted to hammer an area hard with recreational hunters,we could do it with little bit of help quite easily. dont need 6 weeks and a pack horse train to hunt the Landsborough anymore . and to hark back to a recently shown awesome video...the deer were in pockets in snow conditions,those 60 hinds wouldnt stand a chance if a hughes 500 came over the ridge with half competent operators, out after scalps ,who didnt have to stop and recover meat..search n destroy from the air is terribly effective and THANKFULLY we have never seen it used widespread....just look at tahrmageddon and how worried we all were......if that happened widespread,each spring the deer numbers would be hammered pretty darn quickly