Thread: National creates a Hunting and Fishing portfolio

You mates with Duterte?

Originally Posted by XR500

You mates with Duterte?

no but hes got the right idea

Originally Posted by Nickoli

.....but not the straw-purchasing the Police are currently touting.

https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/def...1-22-34042.pdf

135 charges of supplying weapons to unlicensed people between 2014 - 2020

And thats only people charged.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

so FIX the criminal aspect

I'm all for that, but lets not pretend that licensed owners aren't the ones supplying weapons to crims, either willingly or through theft.

Originally Posted by HG Man

https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/def...1-22-34042.pdf

135 charges of supplying weapons to unlicensed people between 2014 - 2020

And thats only people charged.

So a really small number of offenses compared to the number of licence holders - and the horrendous cost of a register, combined with security risk is justified....to be administered by the Police - who have a high number of less than squeaky clean officers themselves - the 150 or so convictions for officers over the same period are just the convictions....
(I'm not trying to draw a false equivalency here - just pointing out that you cannot tarnish a whole group by the actions of a few - and you'll not fix it with a proxy, expensive, dangerous & incomplete register).

Originally Posted by Nickoli

(I'm not trying to draw a false equivalency here - just pointing out that you cannot tarnish a whole group by the actions of a few - and you'll not fix it with a proxy, expensive, dangerous & incomplete register).

For sure, don't get me wrong, I object to the register as much as the next person, but we need to be accurate in our objections.

Let's just hope it's not Minister of "Hunting and Fishing brand"

Originally Posted by GDMP

A tiny number may be.....but most never would.

The crims are getting their hands on thousands of stolen firearms. How are those weapons being stolen? Not secured would be the main way is my guess. There might be the odd case of someone being forced to open the safe, but you can't tell me thats happening 5 times a week.

Originally Posted by Steve123

Let's just hope it's not Minister of "Hunting and Fishing brand"

Now that's a good idea, we can have businesses sponsor the members of cabinet.

Minister of "Hunting and Fishing" - sponsor is obvious.

Minister of Primary Production - sponsored by Fed. Farmers.

Tourism Minister - sponsor by Air NZ, Qantas, or Emirates?

Minister for Building - Fletchers.

Minister for Roads - Fulton Hogan, Higgins, HEB?

Minister for Employment - sponsored by unions or businesses?

Please add to the list.

Minister for Oceans and Fisheries - Sponsored by Sealord / Vela……

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Originally Posted by HG Man

I'm all for that, but lets not pretend that licensed owners aren't the ones supplying weapons to crims, either willingly or through theft.

OK so I will go along with you for a minute...just for shits n giggles

regestering guns will not stop that,any more than regestering my car will stop it being stolen and used for a ram raid.

my home security is already very good.
Im not going to sell gun to unlicenced person and risk everything for a few $$$$$
so thats me out of the equasion....so why do I have to do anything different?????
and how is me doing anything different going to hel psolve the issue????
you not having sex doesnt stop the neighbour getting pregnant.
I said FIX the criminal aspect...THAT INCLUDES any burglery and illegal sales..dont pretend it doesnt.
going back to underage cigarettes...... are you buying them and onselling to school kids???? hurts doesnt it???the implication YOU ARE GUILTY of doing so because someone else might be doing so...no more popping into corner dairy for you anymore,we must stamp this out somehow and you not being able to visit dairy to buy your smoke time steak n cheese pie is just collateral damage,its for the greater good after all. suck it up buttercup.

Originally Posted by HG Man

The crims are getting their hands on thousands of stolen firearms. How are those weapons being stolen? Not secured would be the main way is my guess. There might be the odd case of someone being forced to open the safe, but you can't tell me thats happening 5 times a week.

I gave you food for thought on that many posts back..... the guns ARENT stolen in recent times....the yare out there grey area... you know all the THOUSANDS of sks/skk/SMLE that have never seen light of day for years..the numbers given in buyback..even the most optomistic dont stack up,the thousands of rifles imported havent been crushed,they are still out there.....somewhere...hells bells they were dime a dozen 35 years ago and there were many places selling them... so they were there..now they are not... the horse has bolted well and truely. to say registering them will FIX problem is dumb thinking.... imagine if all 16oz hammers had to be registered...no not being silly,just consider the logistics of trying to do so.
I personally have 12 claw hammers (and usually use screws LOL) I didnt buy a single one of them..the yjust sort of found a home at my place,inherited a few,got given a few others,picked up on roadside etc etc... now if you had to register all those hammers, how would you know there are 12 at my home??? other than me just telling you...and nope they arent all 16oz,so your job just got harder.
think about logistics for a bit then post up your solution to doing so.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

OK so I will go along with you for a minute...just for shits n giggles

As I said earlier in this thread, I'm against the Register as much as anyone. I want Police to crack down on criminals and on the theft of firearms.

Nowhere have I said that this is a reason to bring in the Register, I'm not sure why you think I do?

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

I gave you food for thought on that many posts back..... the guns ARENT stolen in recent times

Except they are stolen in recent times. I did a whole thread on it, with the numbers from the Police. 2005 to 2022, 11,700 firearms were stolen.

'to say registering them will FIX problem is dumb thinking'

Who is saying that having a Register will fix the issue of firearms theft and crime? Not me..I'm not really sure how you would go about fixing the issue of guns being stolen, other than making people store their firearms at an armoury? Even then, thats not going to be safe, as we've seen with the thefts from Police Station.

I do not fear the implementation of the register because my info may be leaked to crims. I genuinely fear that it is a step towards confiscation of my (now) legally held firearms. It is only because of the 'buyback' and the very odd sealing of information and findings around the 2019 massacre that has created this fear.