Thread: National creates a Hunting and Fishing portfolio

Originally Posted by GDMP

you say your 'guess' is that most stolen firearms are un-secured, do you actually know this for sure?.

No, thats why its a guess. Thats what a guess means. And as I go on to say there might be the odd case of someone being forced to open the safe, but you can't tell me thats happening 5 times a week.

Originally Posted by Nickoli

....granted.....but the question remains as to what isn't there due to a narrow scope.

Where he sourced his firearms and ammo, what else are you thinking?

Originally Posted by HG Man

Where he sourced his firearms and ammo, what else are you thinking?

Where he sourced firearms and ammo are moot - he had a license. The point being that there was no need to narrow the terms of reference, and to introduce legislation before the Royal Commission reported suggests there was something to hide (actual versus perception is just as bad).

Originally Posted by Nickoli

to introduce legislation before the Royal Commission reported suggests there was something to hide (actual versus perception is just as bad).

For sure. Changing gun laws before the RC reported back was dumb.

Originally Posted by HG Man

What sealing of information and findings are you talking about? The final report is available for anyone to download and read?

The full findings / analysis from the video. What is given in the commissions report is an overview that is not supported by the actual footage

Originally Posted by HG Man

For sure. Changing gun laws before the RC reported back was dumb.

The RC was specifically excluded from making any recommendations on firearms laws by the terms of reference

Originally Posted by HG Man

You making up your own facts and not reading what people are writing again????

pot calling kettle black.
you keep missing the point...just because it MIGHT be happening...doesnt mean it IS happening
you also keep ignoring all the grey area firearms,the ones that have been around for so long they are forgotton.
and hypercritical to say Im not reading your posts,I have directly replied...now on other hand YOU have been given numerous things to ponder and havent bothered to answer.....

so to ask again...IF you were to ask for a firearm and said you had $5,000 cash no questions asked....
how long before one arrived???
where would it come from????
I would bet your best set of golf clubs it wouldnt need to be stolen or sourced from a LFO ...it would appear out of the "pool of unknowns"

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

The full findings / analysis from the video. What is given in the commissions report is an overview that is not supported by the actual footage

The video of him shooting the people at the mosques? Whats different about the report vs the actual footage?

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

pot calling kettle black.
you keep missing the point...just because it MIGHT be happening...doesnt mean it IS happening

It is happening. The Police have provided the figures around it. I did a thread on it. Heres the link https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....rmation-90049/

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

so to ask again...IF you were to ask for a firearm and said you had $5,000 cash no questions asked....
how long before one arrived???
where would it come from????
I would bet your best set of golf clubs it wouldnt need to be stolen or sourced from a LFO ...it would appear out of the "pool of unknowns"

Maybe it could come from the 11,700 firearms which we know were stolen between 2005-2022

Originally Posted by GDMP

In other words you really have no idea if what you stated is true or otherwise.....thanks for clarifying that.

Thats what a guess means. And given we don't have any actual information to go on, thats all we can do. If they aren't being forced to open the safe, maybe the crims are getting into the safes some other way? What do you think is happening?

Originally Posted by HG Man

It is happening. The Police have provided the figures around it. I did a thread on it. Heres the link https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....rmation-90049/

Yes - the Police provided their figures around it. And by their own admission their figures for everything they report on are open to challenge because of difficulties in the systems of reporting and differences between reporting practice in different areas. From that you really need fully independent 'unspun' figures to be able to draw any conclusions whatsoever - least of all to draw any form of accurate conclusion.

Originally Posted by HG Man

I'm all for that, but lets not pretend that licensed owners aren't the ones supplying weapons to crims, either willingly or through theft.

To be guilty of 'supply', you have to have intent (to supply). Having your firearms stolen from your place of residence from compliant and correctly utilised security does not mean you have supplied them to criminals.

I've been party to several discussions of how firearms have been stolen from approved security arrangements, including racks, safes etc etc. It is pretty concerning how quickly and discretely a knowledgeable person can defeat most modern lock systems and window designs used in houses to gain unauthorised access, and once in the house you can pretty much work completely uninterrupted unless a resident comes home or there is some form of security system. It doesn't go much from there to defeating firearms security measures unfortunately...

Originally Posted by No.3

Yes - the Police provided their figures around it. And by their own admission their figures for everything they report on are open to challenge because of difficulties in the systems of reporting and differences between reporting practice in different areas. From that you really need fully independent 'unspun' figures to be able to draw any conclusions whatsoever - least of all to draw any form of accurate conclusion.

They've stated it as 'Number of firearms reported as stolen to Police, by year of when the alleged theft took place'. Its all we have to go on, unless you have something else to add?