Thread: National creates a Hunting and Fishing portfolio

Well that's interesting. A shadow hunting and fishing portfolio where an actual Minister doesn't exist could foreshadow a new Ministerial position.
H&F spokesperson is Todd McLay. Do we know anything about his position on H&F?

Identify your target beyond all doubt because you never miss (right?) and I'll be missed.

Of course they'll create a populist shadow portfolio.

They'll leap at anything that might gain them votes.

The real question is "what will they deliver?"

Remember the Blue team backed the Red team's first firearms law reforms.

They only changed their minds when they saw what way the wind was blowing later.

A plague on all parliamentary parties.

Originally Posted by Cyclops

Of course they'll create a populist shadow portfolio.

They'll leap at anything that might gain them votes.

The real question is "what will they deliver?"

Remember the Blue team backed the Red team's first firearms law reforms.

They only changed their minds when they saw what way the wind was blowing later.

A plague on all parliamentary parties.

Ask National if they are going to revoke the Mil ban and give us our guns back. Dont be silly. National still has the mad Judith Collins whose counterpart in Labour is the dull as dishwater Nanaia Mahuta. The problem is the graft that Mahuta chiseled out of contracts for her hubbie will be taken up by some National grifter.

Originally Posted by TeRei

The problem is the graft that Mahuta chiseled out of contracts for her hubbie will be taken up by some National grifter.

yup the more things change the more they stay the same..........
we are in for a tough few years no matter who will be rattling the chains at the end of the year

Originally Posted by TeRei

Ask National if they are going to revoke the Mil ban and give us our guns back. Dont be silly. National still has the mad Judith Collins whose counterpart in Labour is the dull as dishwater Nanaia Mahuta. The problem is the graft that Mahuta chiseled out of contracts for her hubbie will be taken up by some National grifter.

They will never bring back MSSA. I think that has to be accepted. And frankly I’m comfortable with that.
On the fence with a small magazine capacity sporting semi.

I think the more pertinent topic or question is:
What do we/you want from any govt in terms of hunting or fishing?
Deer populations are growing rapidly, Fallow have spread massively in the last 10 - 15 years.
We don’t have a lack of opportunities to hunt.
It’s essentially free.

I’ve never supported the gun registration, but only because I don’t trust the data security. Not because I give 2 rips if they know I have 3 guns or 30.
But reading the story in last weekends Herald, i understand why now. I think they called them strawmen. Or straw licenses.
Basic premise of the issue is there are license holders who buy firearms and immediately on sell them to gang members or the unlicensed for profit.
There are blokes making a living doing this.
How else do you stop it?

I personally would like to see access to public lands tidied up.
Farmers will hate it, but access to crown land locked beyond private property must be guaranteed for all.
Crown land locked away by private interest, and then benefited by proxy by the private land holder should have a cost for that privilege.
A simple way of working it, allow access, or pay for exclusive use.

Originally Posted by Lauries Hut

They will never bring back MSSA. I think that has to be accepted. And frankly I’m comfortable with that.
On the fence with a small magazine capacity sporting semi.

I think the more pertinent topic or question is:
What do we/you want from any govt in terms of hunting or fishing?
Deer populations are growing rapidly, Fallow have spread massively in the last 10 - 15 years.
We don’t have a lack of opportunities to hunt.
It’s essentially free.

I’ve never supported the gun registration, but only because I don’t trust the data security. Not because I give 2 rips if they know I have 3 guns or 30.
But reading the story in last weekends Herald, i understand why now. I think they called them strawmen. Or straw licenses.
Basic premise of the issue is there are license holders who buy firearms and immediately on sell them to gang members or the unlicensed for profit.
There are blokes making a living doing this.
How else do you stop it?

I personally would like to see access to public lands tidied up.
Farmers will hate it, but access to crown land locked beyond private property must be guaranteed for all.
Crown land locked away by private interest, and then benefited by proxy by the private land holder should have a cost for that privilege.
A simple way of working it, allow access, or pay for exclusive use.

Police figures and statements don't support the idea that criminals are obtaining firearms from license holders selling them in large numbers.


You still don't get it. Just because you don't want a semi auto is no reason to not support their legal use. Your firearm of choice will be on the chopping block soon enough.

A more pertinent topic isn't access to public land, it's the new costs, and regulations for ranges and events.

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

Police figures and statements don't support the idea that criminals are obtaining firearms from license holders selling them in large numbers.


You still don't get it. Just because you don't want a semi auto is no reason to not support their legal use. Your firearm of choice will be on the chopping block soon enough.

A more pertinent topic isn't access to public land, it's the new costs, and regulations for ranges and events.

Hell where do I start?

“Police figures and statements don’t support” I find that fairly had to believe. If you want to make such claims, stump up your evidence for all to see.

“You still don’t get it” quite an assumption from a short post. I lost a semi. I’d still like to use one.
The problem is not their legal use.
The problem is F-wits like Tarrant and god knows how many loopy Americans, who have exclusively used such weapons, to shoot up large numbers of innocents.
We fortunately live in a democracy, and we as a community of firearm users, need to present well, and fit in the the voting public. If we’re lucky Act will have their hands on the strings of power by the end of the year. They will possibly have the power to minimise further damage. Perhaps undo some of the more onerous rule changes. But life is a compromise from start to finish. This is a compromise we will have to accept. I didn’t say I liked it, I simply accept it.

“A more pertinent topic” What I said was; “What do we/you want from any govt” so yes that means you Danger Mouse. Rather than dismiss others, why don’t you just add your point. It’s a valid one.

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

Police figures and statements don't support the idea that criminals are obtaining firearms from license holders selling them in large numbers.


You still don't get it. Just because you don't want a semi auto is no reason to not support their legal use. Your firearm of choice will be on the chopping block soon enough.

A more pertinent topic isn't access to public land, it's the new costs, and regulations for ranges and events.

Hell where do I start?

“Police figures and statements don’t support”
I find that fairly had to believe. If you want to make such claims, stump up your evidence for all to see.

“You still don’t get it”
Quite an assumption from a short post. I lost a semi. I’d still like to use one.
The problem is not their legal use.
The problem is F-wits like Tarrant and god knows how many loopy Americans, who have exclusively used such weapons, to shoot up large numbers of innocents.
We fortunately live in a democracy, and we as a community of firearm users, need to present well, and fit in the the voting public. If we’re lucky Act will have their hands on the strings of power by the end of the year. They will possibly have the power to minimise further damage. Perhaps undo some of the more onerous rule changes. But life is a compromise from start to finish. This is a compromise we will have to accept. I didn’t say I liked it, I simply accept it.

“A more pertinent topic”
What I said was; “What do we/you want from any govt” so yes that means you Danger Mouse. Rather than dismiss others, why don’t you just add your point. It’s a valid one.

McClay has presented trophies at CNIGC service rifle shoots, but then also voted to take them away. His local branch head is on the NZSRA national committee, and McClay is a lot less PC in person than when there's a camera in his face. He'll get my candidate vote, but party vote will still be ACT.

It’s a positive step in the right direction, even if they are only “reading the room”. It shows that they are aware it’s a live issue with a decent number of voters. I guess the key is to get details about what Nashnull (& others) are actually committed to doing in the H&F space…

Just listened to Luxon from Napier. When asked about the Hunting & Fishing portfolio he replied the well being of NZers is paramount and healthy recreation leads to that end. Plenty of opportunity to work in with NZDA Hunts courses and things like that, I think it is a good move and well overdue our sport(s) is recognised in it's own right, plus giving us a seat at the table too with the commercial operators and DOC. Barbara Kuriger has been named Nats DOC spokesperson, she is rural and will be looking to make a decent fist of it to get back up the cabinet rankings. Now hopefully tie in a coalition with Act and bring Nicole McKee & Firearms into the picture and things are looking good and very hopeful for the Hunting/Shooting Community - Us.

Rider, this is posted as an observation not a political type broadcast of any sort. Regards.

Promoting Collins is a spit in the face tbh

I wonder whether it'll change anything in the fishing space, the commercial guys are pretty big donors to the National Party, money talks.

I'd be interested in seeing exactly what the policy goals etc are before judging.

Take the positives where you can, and it's not the only good news today.

Something is better than 'less than nothing".