Thread: Nelson Lakes getting the Green rain over 33000ha in July...better get into it.

Originally Posted by sore head stoat

1080 and Fish

Point number3 it specifically said " koura did not absorb 1080 from the water"

Not from the water no but from eating the pellets or animals that have died from the pellets, yes. I acknowledge that it doesn’t kill them but I’ll be buggered if I would knowingly eat them if they had.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

That will be the end of any kea and 90 percent of the deer.

Now excuse my ignorance. I dont know this area at all (sadly) But from the look of the map they are hitting the road end? Ummm why dont they hit the harder to get to areas and leave the road ends for us to keep under control? OK I cant see the rest of the map but from the look of that it dose look rather like a feck you to anyone taht wants to walk in and do some preditor control........

Guess its the reverse of KISS (keep it simple stupid)

SSIK (Simply stupid ignorant kids) give them all the toys and money and the behave like this

Originally Posted by Sideshow

Now excuse my ignorance. I dont know this area at all (sadly) But from the look of the map they are hitting the road end? Ummm why dont they hit the harder to get to areas and leave the road ends for us to keep under control? OK I cant see the rest of the map but from the look of that it dose look rather like a feck you to anyone taht wants to walk in and do some preditor control........

You can walk from the lake head to the far end of the area in a couple of days, yes it is a big area but if fit not that far really

It is a massive area, fantastic hunting in mostly the whole area. If they hit the other side then it's even bigger again.

I can see that it’s a big area but why hit the road ends? Why not hit the back of the blocks and leave the front? Guess it’s down to boundaries terrain etc you think they would go for the places that foot hunters can’t get to and then work back from there.

Originally Posted by wayno

I f they would open up access to areas of Marlborough they control instead of making hard then we the hunters might be out there keeping the numbers down so they didnt have to dump that shit all over the place .

I have to wonder what percentage of the population have and will actually venture into some of these very remote places they drop poison into to just enjoy the birdlife.

So is it really about the birds? Especially with such a high kill on what is supposedly being saved. Or is it about wild game and people control?

Control of people harvesting a free resource (once geared up) when they could be made to pay through the nose for it at a supermarket. I could be wrong but it has crossed my mind.

Part of the area is what they call a mainland island and as such it holds significant value to DoC. Honestly no one knows DoC's thought process with 1080.
Such a shame.

Originally Posted by Allizdog

I have to wonder what percentage of the population have and will actually venture into some of these very remote places they drop poison into to just enjoy the birdlife.

So is it really about the birds? Especially with such a high kill on what is supposedly being saved. Or is it about wild game and people control?

Control of people harvesting free meat when they could be made to pay for it at a supermarket. I could be wrong but it has crossed my mind.

Lets be honest here. Without a walking track, access to huts etc no bird watcher or tramper or nearly anyone apart from hunters and mountain climbers are going off track into areas that have no access other than
bush bashing.
Most of the places i hunt no other person is ever going in there other than other hunters or dope growers and thats it.(And dope growers walk fu k all)
Never seen anyone else other than that group mentioned in over 30 years in the bush if theres no access other than going bush. Theses remote areas apart from DOC workers or hunters no one is ever going to
see the bird life or lack of.
You do wonder why they spend the time and huge money on pest control in areas that wont benifit many people and being such vast areas if they even go in there to test the results and even actually know the state
of the poison drops have done

Originally Posted by Allizdog

I have to wonder what percentage of the population have and will actually venture into some of these very remote places they drop poison into to just enjoy the birdlife.

So is it really about the birds? Especially with such a high kill on what is supposedly being saved. Or is it about wild game and people control?

Control of people harvesting free meat (once geared up) when they could be made to pay for it at a supermarket. I could be wrong but it has crossed my mind.

The Travis/Sabine circuit (the big loop track through the heart of the drop area) is a very heavily used tramping circuit with large huts which require booking over the peak season so the area does get a lot of visitors. Many (most?) of which are from overseas.

Yes sorry @Shearer. Wasn't meaning that location but remote places in general. Bad choice of wording.

No tracks. Places hardly anyone goes . . . ever. Yet they still dump the shit there.

Originally Posted by Shearer

The Travis/Sabine circuit (the big loop track through the heart of the drop area) is a very heavily used tramping circuit with large huts which require booking over the peak season so the area does get a lot of visitors. Many (most?) of which are from overseas.

Yes that circuit is very popular....it would seem almost any of them that get off track end up in a search and rescue or recovery operation.....at huge cost.

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Originally Posted by Sideshow

I can see that it’s a big area but why hit the road ends? Why not hit the back of the blocks and leave the front? Guess it’s down to boundaries terrain etc you think they would go for the places that foot hunters can’t get to and then work back from there.

Because our govt department charged with conservation of the estate wants to show all these tourists we have(hows that working out now?) a ecosystem choked by regrowth and devoid of any life other than plants.
Or they could go for a balanced ecosystem with browsers included as per the pre human environment our bush has evolved to accommodate and work with.

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Originally Posted by deer243

Lets be honest here. Without a walking track, access to huts etc no bird watcher or tramper or nearly anyone apart from hunters and mountain climbers are going off track into areas that have no access other than
bush bashing.
Most of the places i hunt no other person is ever going in there other than other hunters or dope growers and thats it.(And dope growers walk fu k all)
Never seen anyone else other than that group mentioned in over 30 years in the bush if theres no access other than going bush. Theses remote areas apart from DOC workers or hunters no one is ever going to
see the bird life or lack of.
You do wonder why they spend the time and huge money on pest control in areas that wont benifit many people and being such vast areas if they even go in there to test the results and even actually know the state
of the poison drops have done

If you do half a valley reinvasion in the area you have poisoned will be very very quick. Google ship rats breeding 3 litters per year averaging 5 to 8 young a litter.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Because our govt department charged with conservation of the estate wants to show all these tourists we have(hows that working out now?) a ecosystem choked by regrowth and devoid of any life other than plants.
Or they could go for a balanced ecosystem with browsers included as per the pre human environment our bush has evolved to accommodate and work with.

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Have you tried telling a rat or a stoat that it has to live in a "balanced environment" with mohua or kakariki ?