Thread: Nice 12Stag at 744y 6.5 - so am I unethical now guys?

708 was a cheap factory, plan white box with some writing on it. Can’t remember the name as it was the mates rifle

I think that the shot placement choice was the pivotal decision with taking the stag.
A shot in the neck is a dead stag or a miss.
Looking at the photo which shows the bullet wound, there is no bruising or damage around it. If the same shot had been taken at mid - shoulder the animal likely would have hobbled off wounded.
A month ago I shot a solid stag roaring at 308 mtrs with a 140 game changer out of a 270 ( so acceptable energy and velocity level ). The shot was mid neck like yours and like yours, no bruising / damage around the wound from hydrostatic shock. The same shot taken in Jan / Feb would leave a good sized area of jellified meat.
Why is this ? It is because stags in the roar have gone through a change to prepare them for fighting and to that end make them more resistant to impacts and tyne puncturing.
The 7mm08 lost stag was probably a shoulder shot or the wrong ( soft) bullet be my guess.

he can blame rifle/bullet the stage of the moon all he likes...simple fact is he fcuked up the shooting....either didnt aim properly or didnt aim..... if you know where he was when took crack at stag,go back with dog and do it again in couple of weeks time,and again couple of weeks after again....IF he hit it it will be dead somewhere.better you have antlers for garage wall than they rot away into leaf litter.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

he can blame rifle/bullet the stage of the moon all he likes...simple fact is he fcuked up the shooting....either didnt aim properly or didnt aim..... if you know where he was when took crack at stag,go back with dog and do it again in couple of weeks time,and again couple of weeks after again....IF he hit it it will be dead somewhere.better you have antlers for garage wall than they rot away into leaf litter.

Yup. Planning to get back up there at the end of this month, smell would have gone but I know the area and stag didn’t have much option of where to go if his wounds were fatal. Pretty steep in there to get out of a small basin

Originally Posted by Scott Cowan

708 was a cheap factory, plan white box with some writing on it. Can’t remember the name as it was the mates rifle

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Originally Posted by distant stalker

I'm curious about the load details, mainly powder choice if you don't want to share charge weight. Always interesting hearing what is working for others in similar clambering

my Load Data. This is not intended for anyone to load to. As always check you manuals, start low and work up. I’ve had this cal chambered on 4 different actions and pressure was all different. Rifle one - Action 1 Brno VG47… changed to a Carl Gustav 1900 (husky 8000) cause it fed terrible. 2nd rifle started Sako 75, changed the barrel over to a tikka t3 for better stock selection and more cost effective.
My current load is for the Tikka - 28” Truflite 1:7.5 twist. RL26 57.7g OAL 3.260

Wrapping up this post I’ll share the thing I did against my better judgment. Mate mate who was reading the wind for me doesn’t shoot past 200, if he does it usually goes south. As we had been asked to cull a few I put him behind the rifle at 620y on a hind, got him bedded down on a solid rest and he dropped it on the spot. So the next day I set him up on a stag at 600ish from memory, good rest again and same result DRT. So no wounded animal but yes that could have gone south easily. And now I may have set him up for future failures having him think he is now a ninja. I may regret that, and worse still fire deer may regret it more. I was only thinking of the culling and getting him a stag at the time. So not sure I would do that one with a short range shooter again. Your thoughts?

I’m most impressed that you can roar that far!


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[QUOTE=tanqueray;1443112]I’m most impressed that you can roar that far!


Electronic roarer, but nice open tops and a bit of wind drift a mizone bottle would have done it too I’m sure

I think your mate is capable of long shots when schooled properly and using proven gear in the right conditions as you have shown, maybe if he settled into a lot more practice he would be alright and become more confident . Well done on that shot and a very nice stag down, practice does make perfect or as close as can be had.

Originally Posted by Scott Cowan

my Load Data. This is not intended for anyone to load to. As always check you manuals, start low and work up. I’ve had this cal chambered on 4 different actions and pressure was all different. Rifle one - Action 1 Brno VG47… changed to a Carl Gustav 1900 (husky 8000) cause it fed terrible. 2nd rifle started Sako 75, changed the barrel over to a tikka t3 for better stock selection and more cost effective.
My current load is for the Tikka - 28” Truflite 1:7.5 twist. RL26 57.7g OAL 3.260

Interesting that you got a 6.5 06 Ackley working. The long barrel must help. I thought about doing one as it should work well but mostly they dont seem to. Mark and Sam did a very interesting comparison with the 6.5 Saum which has the same case capacity - same barrel length, same powder, charge weight, bullet. The Saum beat out the 06 by something like 200fps with everything the same. Mark was scratching his head and said that a more efficient powder burn could be really the only explanation

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

Interesting that you got a 6.5 06 Ackley working. The long barrel must help. I thought about doing one as it should work well but mostly they dont seem to. Mark and Sam did a very interesting comparison with the 6.5 Saum which has the same case capacity - same barrel length, same powder, charge weight, bullet. The Saum beat out the 06 by something like 200fps with everything the same. Mark was scratching his head and said that a more efficient powder burn could be really the only explanation

This is the 2nd I’ve had built. Both Truflite, first one 1:8 26” and now the 1:7.5 28” and honesty I should have stopped with the first as I only had the 2nd built to utilise the 156berger eol. Which after importing a bunch proved not to shoot well enough.. likely due to the oal restriction in a tikka mag. So I went back to the 147s. And I’ve watched that Mark n Sam vid, but my issue with that is that different cases prefer different powders, rather than same powder and then make a call, I would have liked them do do ‘best powder’ for each one and then show the speeds. I bought the reamer a few years ago and left it with Truflite, they have done a few now with good results. One of the owners has one for his hunting rifle now. If I was building one again I’d like to build with an after market tikka mag set up to get longer oal

My other consideration was I wanted sort of a switch barrel set up. Just running one bolt and a bunch of barreled action and a couple of good stocks. So I needed the 308 size bolt face and the best speed I could get from a 6.5 non magnum. So now we can run our 22/250ai and 6.5/06ai and the soon to be 6mm creedmoor without having to have as much cash tied up. It would have been more useful if I had started with that plan in mind tho, cause I now have 2rifles that aren’t tikka and I really like them and can’t see me selling either.

Originally Posted by Scott Cowan

My other consideration was I wanted sort of a switch barrel set up. Just running one bolt and a bunch of barreled action and a couple of good stocks. So I needed the 308 size bolt face and the best speed I could get from a 6.5 non magnum. So now we can run our 22/250ai and 6.5/06ai and the soon to be 6mm creedmoor without having to have as much cash tied up. It would have been more useful if I had started with that plan in mind tho, cause I now have 2rifles that aren’t tikka and I really like them and can’t see me selling either.

Fair call. I actually got an action and got all excited then deflated by the numbers i was seeing. Why the 280 AI works so well and 6.5 not really, flummoxed me

Good shooting. Mates son used my 260 to drop a bull tahr at 620 yards. 147 eldm. So reckon your shooter has plenty of power for job at hand. Proven!