Thread: No lpg bottles on choppers

MSR with a Jerry can of diesel. Problem solved (except for the stench).

5l of white sprits lasts a very very long time

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Originally Posted by Wildman

5l of white sprits lasts a very very long time

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Really?
When I used 250ml to try and light a damp woodfire in a hut it only lasted about half a millisecond! By coincidence this was the same amount of time my eyebrows lasted!

Bakewell Burner, problem solved.

LPG would be worse on a boat as it would sit in the bottom of the hold with no where to go.
Come on on a chopper there's plenty of room for expansion
Next rule will be you need to wear a life jacket to dig ya swimming pool

The elephant in the living room is that all this only becomes a problem if the helicopter or plane crashes and catches fire.

And that even this does not matter -- it's only saving on cremation fees for the corpses on board, and even here the contribution of a bit of propane is minuscule compared to the role of the aircraft fuel.

Aircraft are made to fly, they do not crash well.

Banning loose overalls?

Originally Posted by Maca49

Banning loose overalls?

Yes, that was really crap news. Sounded like the door/hatch was improperly closed, flew off, what was inside spilled out... and some loose overalls got to the tail rotor first. A basic stowing error can kill you.

Originally Posted by Cordite

The elephant in the living room is that all this only becomes a problem if the helicopter or plane crashes and catches fire.

And that even this does not matter -- it's only saving on cremation fees for the corpses on board, and even here the contribution of a bit of propane is minuscule compared to the role of the aircraft fuel.

Aircraft are made to fly, they do not crash well.

Fire inflight is more the concern.
Flammable compressed gas leaking from a vessel and being ignited by poorly grounded electrics for example.

Having 5x small combustible containers with a thin casing for a portable cooker are going to do more potential damage than a 9xLPG bottle with a thicker casing. A simple spray check would tell you if it was leaking and a cap installed should you wish to be on the safer side.

You’ve got more to worry about if the chopper full of aviation fuel crashes than the rouge bottle in the back of the cabin... just bureaucracy going mad.

The last amendment to Rule Part 92 - Carriage of Dangerous Goods is dated 22 June 2006, and the accompanying Advisory Circular (AC 92-2) was last amended on 27 April 2007 so I'm unsure as to the root of the recent changes as suggested. That said each individual Air Operator Certificate (AOC) holder has the right to determine how he applies the rule to his operations and may of course make those changes at any time.

As you say, these are not recent changes, so something must have recently brought it to the attention of the CAA that operators were not complying with the law.

The Rule is pretty clear on this: “Refer 92.11(c)(2), LPG is listed in the Dangerous Goods list in the Technical Instructions as being forbidden for carriage by air in an aircraft that carries passengers.”

Cannot see how an operator can apply this to his operation and still determine that it is permissible to carry LPG.

Check the link below and ensure to go to the bottom of the table where the conditions are stated for the carriage of LPG on passenger aircraft in the circumstances as discussed in this thread. If the operator does not have CAA approved procedures to ensure compliance with these conditions designated in their exposition, or is not able to demonstrate compliance with those procedures, then they will not be able to exercise this privilege.

https://www.caa.govt.nz/passengers/d...s-lpg-bottles/

Have just been told 1kg max of small butane bottles per load (flying into the Ruahines soon)

Just had a email from a heli company down south we are flying in to say no more then 1L of gas 4x250ml