Thread: Not again!

I keep seeing people saying this is Firearms regulations/license issue. It's not, it's a hunter issue. When was the last time someone was shot and killed on a range?

Not everyone with a FAL hunts. Why should they sit through or pass a test for hunting when they are only planning on using a firearm on or range or merely collecting them?

Mandated training and licensing for hunters MAY reduce the incident rate, but accidents do happen.

If highly trained AOS members shoot the wrong people, highly licensed pilots crash planes, highly trained SF members shoot people, how can anyone ever be stopped from having accidents?

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Originally Posted by Koshogi

I keep seeing people saying this is Firearms regulations/license issue. It's not, it's a hunter issue. When was the last time someone was shot and killed on a range?

Not everyone with a FAL hunts. Why should they sit through or pass a test for hunting when they are only planning on using a firearm on or range or merely collecting them?

Mandated training and licensing for hunters MAY reduce the incident rate, but accidents do happen.

If highly trained AOS members shoot the wrong people, highly licensed pilots crash planes, highly trained SF members shoot people, how can anyone ever be stopped from having accidents?

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There is only one license, and training all owners through this gateway process is not good enough. Yes, there are rules. But being given rules isn't training someone to safely use a firearm, it only demonstrates they know the principles of safe use.

Where is the training that presents license applicants with images of deer on a blokes back in the undergrowth, the movement that turns out to be a kid with his father, the video interview of the widow who lost a loved one. The training would be targeted at conditioning a hunters thought process. Assessing visual cues. Taking time before releasing a shot to be sure. Understanding the tricks that lead a hunter to see what they want to see rather than what is there. There is only one license, and I'd argue that is the appropriate gateway for proper, credible training.

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Originally Posted by Feral

There is only one license, and training all owners through this gateway process is not good enough. Yes, there are rules. But being given rules isn't training someone to safely use a firearm, it only demonstrates they know the principles of safe use.

CURRENTLY there is only one license.

Many places have both a system for firearms licencing and another for hunters. They are two separate activities.

Being given rules or training doesn't demonstrate anything. It just says you were physically present.

Competency is another matter.

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Originally Posted by Koshogi

CURRENTLY there is only one license.

Many places have both a system for firearms licencing and another for hunters. They are two separate activities.

Being given rules or training doesn't demonstrate anything. It just says you were physically present.

Competency is another matter.

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The purpose of training is to gain competence. Yep I recall from my time in Oz I needed an R license (I think that's what it was called) to hunt. So, how the hell do you police that in NZ?

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Originally Posted by Feral

The purpose of training is to gain competence.

No, the purpose of training is to impart knowledge and skills.

Competency and training are related, but are not the same thing.

Originally Posted by Feral

Yep I recall from my time in Oz I needed an R license (I think that's what it was called) to hunt. So, how the hell do you police that in NZ

Same way you Police any law. Make it a legal requirement and than enforce conformance. How do they enforce that hunters have a DOC hunting permit?



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Originally Posted by Koshogi

No, the purpose of training is to impart knowledge and skills.

Competency and training are related, but are not the same thing.





Same way you Police any law. Make it a legal requirement and than enforce conformance. How do they enforce that hunters have a DOC hunting permit?



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Can't say I agree with your line of thinking. Stay safe.

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Hey guys, great thoughts and ideas, in general. The answer lies not in practical field training, because the problem is with attitude.After discovering I was in the scope sights of at least 2 hunters in separate incidents while wearing green clothing, I've survived the last 30 years deerstalking by following these principles: I don't hunt in the roar any more, and I convince myself that every hunter in my hunting area is an idiot wandering around with his finger on the trigger of a loaded firearm while suffering from "buck fever", so I wear brightly coloured clothing in the bush.It doesn't affect my tallies, believe me. Deer are colour blind, they will smell you and hear you long before they will see you.