Thread: Not again!

Tragic in the extreme. There is no excuse for this. It is completely avoidable and should just not happen. Yet here again it has.

So, open question, when will the voice of NZ gun ownership step up and demand change, proposing solutions and taking the lead on responsible and trained hunting with firearms. The alternative, in a void of leadership, is to succumb to over regulation or acceptance of the status quo.

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Another tragic waste of a young life.
Sincere condolences to family and friends involved.

Originally Posted by Feral

So, open question, when will the voice of NZ gun ownership step up and demand change, proposing solutions and taking the lead on responsible and trained hunting with firearms. The alternative, in a void of leadership, is to succumb to over regulation or acceptance of the status quo.

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You raise a good point Feral. I would think that this would be best taken up by the likes of NZDA and like minded Gun clubs.
To succumb to over regulation or acceptance of the status quo in my view is the easy way out. While this is situation is tragic, we need to take some ownership and try to offer some sencable solutions.

The only thing more predictable than a shooting during the roar is a thread like this and the posts it contains.

Used to get the buck fever when I was young and keen. Now having been hunting for 20+ years I'm a lot more selective. If I don't get one it doesn't worry me. Im happy to see and observe the animals and enjoy the fact that I have managed to get amongst them, and some time on the hill.
In the bush I always consider any initial encounter to be human until I can positively identify it as other wise.
One scenario that puts the wind up me is a hunter carrying out an animal and a hunter looking down on to a carried animal thinking its a shooter.
I recal a roar hunt I went on in the tablelands above the Cobb in Kahurangi. Sat on a hill one late arvo with my binos glassing two creeks and some flat area and seen 5 other hunters over an hour! Went back to my camp packed up and walked out in my Hivis. Massive disappointment but thought better to pull pin and stay safe.

Maybe there should be a web site where hunters register intentions on hunt areas.
It would give people an idea of the numbers of people using the area. Amount of risk involved.
I can see there would be issues, like people not keen to give up spots, or changing the intentions due to factors like wind direction weather and such like. Poachers probably not keen.

Originally Posted by sneeze

The only thing more predictable than a shooting during the roar is a thread like this and the posts it contains.

Yep. Every year, just like clockwork....and still nothing changes

Originally Posted by deadidick

Maybe there should be a web site where hunters register intentions on hunt areas.
It would give people an idea of the numbers of people using the area. Amount of risk involved.
I can see there would be issues, like people not keen to give up spots, or changing the intentions due to factors like wind direction weather and such like. Poachers probably not keen.

I've been thinking of something similar where hunters place an intentions card with their details, party numbers, area on a printer 1:50k or sketch. Place it at tje entry point or stream junction, Pick it up on the way out etc.

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Could do with a video or doco being commissioned by NZDS, MSC, hunting interest groups where some of the hunter shoots hunter cases can be used as case study's.
Show the damage and High light the type of circumstances of these tradgeties.

Could also include with some clever film work scenarios in the bush where you see movement or noise and an animal pops out of the scrub ( a shooter) mixed in with ones where a hunter , a dog etc pops out when you think it's a shooter.
Show how the orange blaze in the right light conditions can be perceived to be a red skin.

Make it a must see at the FAL lectures. Offer up as refresher.

Originally Posted by Pengy

Yep. Every year, just like clockwork....and still nothing changes

Correct and taking the emotion out of it the logical question is why?

@deadidick as far as I am aware no one in nz has been shot carrying a deer but I agree scares the crap out of me some nights

I keep seeing people saying this is Firearms regulations/license issue. It's not, it's a hunter issue. When was the last time someone was shot and killed on a range?

Not everyone with a FAL hunts. Why should they sit through or pass a test for hunting when they are only planning on using a firearm on or range or merely collecting them?

Mandated training and licensing for hunters MAY reduce the incident rate, but accidents do happen.

If highly trained AOS members shoot the wrong people, highly licensed pilots crash planes, highly trained SF members shoot people, how can anyone ever be stopped from having accidents?

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Originally Posted by Koshogi

I keep seeing people saying this is Firearms regulations/license issue. It's not, it's a hunter issue. When was the last time someone was shot and killed on a range?

Not everyone with a FAL hunts. Why should they sit through or pass a test for hunting when they are only planning on using a firearm on or range or merely collecting them?

Mandated training and licensing for hunters MAY reduce the incident rate, but accidents do happen.

If highly trained AOS members shoot the wrong people, highly licensed pilots crash planes, highly trained SF members shoot people, how can anyone ever be stopped from having accidents?

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There is only one license, and training all owners through this gateway process is not good enough. Yes, there are rules. But being given rules isn't training someone to safely use a firearm, it only demonstrates they know the principles of safe use.

Where is the training that presents license applicants with images of deer on a blokes back in the undergrowth, the movement that turns out to be a kid with his father, the video interview of the widow who lost a loved one. The training would be targeted at conditioning a hunters thought process. Assessing visual cues. Taking time before releasing a shot to be sure. Understanding the tricks that lead a hunter to see what they want to see rather than what is there. There is only one license, and I'd argue that is the appropriate gateway for proper, credible training.

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Fair call @Koshogi. Yep its a hunting issue