Thread: NZDA worth joining.

Originally Posted by StrikerNZ

How about the questionnaire about battle for our birds on their front page (which is what I assume Pengy was referring to), the results of which were used by the NZDA to secure deer repellant on several 1080 drops that had not been going to get any.. On some fairly nationally important deer herds too.

Maybe they've recognised that being 100% anti-1080 only gets you ignored politically, and achieves nothing?



You do realise, also, that the national executive office is literally just half a dozen volunteers, doing the best they can, when they're being constantly asked to do more and more by people who seem very reluctant to do anything themselves to help?

We have the exact same troubles at branch level - loud voices demanding results, that snap closed as soon as help is requested. It's not a sustainable situation.

I agree, not that im all for it but i think the NZDA has flown the white flag when it comes to being 100% anti 1080 and protesting loudly as they know they going to get nowhere and strain relations with DOC, Forest and Bird and the Government. They have decided to go down the middle road and try to secure little wins, ie deer repellant, and have a little say on certain herds of interest etc.
They scratch DOCS back big time, in return get little but some benefits they prob wouldnt of got going down the anti 1080 at all cost road.
I suppose trying to work with the powers to be instead of being in a total war you cant win you get to win some battles . Only problem is do you really think deer repellant is a win, some say yes, i personally dont think it is as i dont think its very effective at all and more the point it doesnt stop the wide spread posioning of this country and the living things in it.

I am a member.
I am a member mainly for range access as Nelson has one of the best NZDA ranges in the country.
Unfortunally range access has become a lot more difficult over the last couple of years and as a result I have pretty much stopped shooting.....which means my kids have stopped shooting too.
Dont get me wrong Nelson still has a great range and reasonable access compared to other regions but access has gone from basicly daylight hours access to having to be let in and out of forestry at certain times on weekends...which unfortunatly does not fit my life with kids and a wife working odd hours.

Nelson Nzda also appeared to be improving relationships with the DOC which I applaud with hunts being run in high number areas of pest animals with I think the dept footing the chopper bill tho I could be off the mark there.

Good hunts courses are run.

Good meetings with good guest speakers on intersting topics are regular but due to my family life I can rarely attend.

If say you had just got your lisence at 16 and turned up at a meeting no doubt you would think wow what a bunch of old pricks at a meeting but all are approchable and willing to share.

All corresponance is sent via email and that does not suit me.

I check email maybe twice a year...if I remember.

I am not an "active" member tho I could be, I just need notice.

The relevant people have my number.

Txt or ring I never look at emails you know who you are.




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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

I am a member.
I am a member mainly for range access as Nelson has one of the best NZDA ranges in the country.
Unfortunally range access has become a lot more difficult over the last couple of years and as a result I have pretty much stopped shooting.....which means my kids have stopped shooting too.
Dont get me wrong Nelson still has a great range and reasonable access compared to other regions but access has gone from basicly daylight hours access to having to be let in and out of forestry at certain times on weekends...which unfortunatly does not fit my life with kids and a wife working odd hours.

Nelson Nzda also appeared to be improving relationships with the DOC which I applaud with hunts being run in high number areas of pest animals with I think the dept footing the chopper bill tho I could be off the mark there.

Good hunts courses are run.

Good meetings with good guest speakers on intersting topics are regular but due to my family life I can rarely attend.

If say you had just got your lisence at 16 and turned up at a meeting no doubt you would think wow what a bunch of old pricks at a meeting but all are approchable and willing to share.

All corresponance is sent via email and that does not suit me.

I check email maybe twice a year...if I remember.

I am not an "active" member tho I could be, I just need notice.

The relevant people have my number.

Txt or ring I never look at emails you know who you are.




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I heard the new president is heaps better than the old one @Rogers270

Originally Posted by kiwijames

I heard the new president is heaps better than the old one @Rogers270

LOL

Originally Posted by kiwijames

I heard the new president is heaps better than the old one @Rogers270

While I know them both one has only just left and one has only just started so it would be unfair to comment on either of them wouldent it @kiwijames?

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

While I know them both one has only just left and one has only just started so it would be unfair to comment on either of them wouldent it @kiwijames?

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Unfair and Internet forums don't really go hand in glove.

@kiwijames.
No, I am not currently a member, hence my visit to the web site.
Firstlly, I am not condemning NZDA without first being armed with facts. I was simply pointing out that as a potential new member, who is against the wide spread us of ariel applied 1080, it was something of a surprise after reading your statement about the organisation being anti 1080, to be greeted on the home page by a huge DOC/Battle for the birds advert.
Everyone is, or should by now be aware of what this `battle` entails in terms of 1080, so it seems at odds with the supposed NZDA attitude.
Mixed messages being sent out ?? Bit like going on the cat protection league website and being greeted by Gareth morgan

As for the survey, I could not see anything there to protest the use of 1080, simply options to have a say about timing of drops and inclusion of deer repellent.
The fact that our major hunting organisation fights to have deer repellent used, rather than trying to get a total ban, smacks of self interest, especially to the non hunting franternity.

I honestly believe that the vast majority of hunters here are conservation minded, but that some are being mis represented.

Will I be joining any time soon?? I doubt it.

Originally Posted by Pengy

@kiwijames.
No, I am not currently a member, hence my visit to the web site.
Firstlly, I am not condemning NZDA without first being armed with facts. I was simply pointing out that as a potential new member, who is against the wide spread us of ariel applied 1080, it was something of a surprise after reading your statement about the organisation being anti 1080, to be greeted on the home page by a huge DOC/Battle for the birds advert.
Everyone is, or should by now be aware of what this `battle` entails in terms of 1080, so it seems at odds with the supposed NZDA attitude.
Mixed messages being sent out ?? Bit like going on the cat protection league website and being greeted by Gareth morgan

As for the survey, I could not see anything there to protest the use of 1080, simply options to have a say about timing of drops and inclusion of deer repellent.
The fact that our major hunting organisation fights to have deer repellent used, rather than trying to get a total ban, smacks of self interest, especially to the non hunting franternity.

I honestly believe that the vast majority of hunters here are conservation minded, but that some are being mis represented.

Will I be joining any time soon?? I doubt it.

Please explain the self interest bit? Are you going all Trump on me and suggesting there is some type of agenda "for the boys" at higher level within NZDA? I can pretty much guarantee there isn't but I've been out of the game for a while now.
You're in Nelson, or close enough. Go see Bill O'Leary and find out from the horses mouth yourself.
They are still lobbying for a 1080 alternative with the removal of all poisons but, you have to win a few more battle to win a war and the biggest battle is within. Hunters would have to be the most shit group of people to try and get some cohesion with. Take a good look at this forum for starters, then for a real scare, look at the other pub. After that ask yourself who's going into bat for you for anything hunting related? Gareth Morgan? He might get you some small game hunting, could end up being on the fringe for legal though.
We (hunters) need NZDA cause no one else will do it for us, so get off your ass and go to a meeting at least to confirm your prejudice.

Originally Posted by Pengy

@kiwijames.
No, I am not currently a member, hence my visit to the web site.
Firstlly, I am not condemning NZDA without first being armed with facts. I was simply pointing out that as a potential new member, who is against the wide spread us of ariel applied 1080, it was something of a surprise after reading your statement about the organisation being anti 1080, to be greeted on the home page by a huge DOC/Battle for the birds advert.
Everyone is, or should by now be aware of what this `battle` entails in terms of 1080, so it seems at odds with the supposed NZDA attitude.
Mixed messages being sent out ?? Bit like going on the cat protection league website and being greeted by Gareth morgan

As for the survey, I could not see anything there to protest the use of 1080, simply options to have a say about timing of drops and inclusion of deer repellent.
The fact that our major hunting organisation fights to have deer repellent used, rather than trying to get a total ban, smacks of self interest, especially to the non hunting franternity.

I honestly believe that the vast majority of hunters here are conservation minded, but that some are being mis represented.

Will I be joining any time soon?? I doubt it.

As for the survey mentioned on the website i think you find its actually a link from the "Big Game Council". They the ones working with DOC on the herds of interest etc and they know full well that getting deer repellant and doing it at a time of year that suits hunters and the deer as one is the best they can try and do. Ending 1080 is just not going to happen. Clearly NZDA support the council and work with them to get what ever benifits they can but the Game Council is doing alot of the behind the scenes with DOC(with NZDA support)

My name is Gapped axe and I'm a NZDA member, not of AA thou

Look at it from the point of view of the non hunting majority in NZ.
On the one hand, NZDA say they are against ariel 1080
On the other hand they seem to be saying. " oh well, we obviously cant stop the powers that be doing it, but please don't kill the deer, cos we want to" This is seen as self interest, whether it is true or not. All about perception.

I sure am not going all Trump on you. I don't have the hair for starters. I am not against hunters having a voice, and I happen to agree that we as a collective are pretty hard to get agreement out of.

Originally Posted by Pengy

Look at it from the point of view of the non hunting majority in NZ.
On the one hand, NZDA say they are against ariel 1080
On the other hand they seem to be saying. " oh well, we obviously cant stop the powers that be doing it, but please don't kill the deer, cos we want to" This is seen as self interest, whether it is true or not. All about perception.

I sure am not going all Trump on you. I don't have the hair for starters. I am not against hunters having a voice, and I happen to agree that we as a collective are pretty hard to get agreement out of.

Fair enough, but I think theres a few too many degrees of separation there by my train of thought. I do admit NZDA website is pretty poor.

We all see things through our own eyes mate.
I am sure other read it differently to me.

Deer repellent on 1080: Deer hunting

I've been a member of Manawatu branch for 24yrs. I still remember my first meeting and thought wtf is going on here lots of arguing and bitching at a monthly meeting. But wait until you got to an AGM holy f@#k. But i met some good guys my age and went hunting. Now that I'm one of the older faces and on commitee when I see a new face I say gidday. We have changed our meeting to guest speakers with 5 mins of club/commitee business. Commitee is there to sort the day to day club stuff the members don't want to know about rates and power bills. We have picked up a LOT of new members through Hunts courses range shooting and interesting speckers and a bloody good newsletter. We also try to do a hunt every month.

It's the not what you get from a club it's what you put into it......

Ps: Gong shoot tomorrow