Thread: the OFF TOPIC to Stags shot 21 (discussion of wild animal management)

Over Flow from the Stags thread Regarding Ethics during the Roar, Future of Stags and Meat..................


Go over there to check it out an get up to speed, spill ya beans over here.

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Originally Posted by Stocky

Um what most of that is unreadable but I'll reply to what I can.

No shit young stags get shot Everywhere I just saw a guy shot 9 stags out of Lewis almost all young (too young to realistically assess quality unless you have a trained eye) and didn't take any meat or shoot any hinds...

Poison isn't used to control deer (I'm 99% certain it's illegal to directly target deer with 1080 (they can be bykill)) so numbers don't lead to poison it happens anyway.

Then your bragging about hammering stags and having a sook and threatening to go waste a bunch of deer and meat because someone brought up their opinion on a public forum. What a bloody ninny. I just brought up my POV. I didnt dictate what anyone can do I have no right too but I have every right to bring up the discussion with which anyone can do with as they wish. Hell I think you may find I openly said he's done more to control population that I have for sure. I just think its nice to leave stags to grow to the point they can mature as it makes a far better trophy (even the ones with poorer genes) that a rack of 50 plus toddlers hanging in the shed unappreciated.

Originally Posted by Danny

Does it actually matter what anyone thinks when someone shoots an animal? Like who fn cares.

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Yeah to a Degree now days i think it Does and Should be in the forethought of more hunters minds in those moments before pulling the trigger.
I think its good to discuss this kind of topic as opposed to single out someone for shootin a heap of shit.

I've been there as a young fella uneducated in the modern day of plethora of deer and social media, but i am very quickly learning that is Mostly all Negative for anything that has regard to "Deer herd health/ population" "Trophy deer or Deer with Antlers of somewhat SIZE- not perfect Record book trophies but old age heavy antlered Animals" , Appreciating the animal and the Hunt, Appreciating the effort it takes for that Anmimal in which we / I have strong like and connection to, takes to Grow its antlers each year and Dodge more and more of Us getting "Hungrier and Hungrier each year".....
i've watched large and small areas go to absolute shit genetically and any potential to "mount" a trophy that is "close" to the "Size" representive of that species..... Why? because uneducated hunters think Stags particlarly are Best, shoot the Stags, More Meat and Antlers and Trophy photo and AWESOMENESS.......... an never Touch does unless its desperate measures.. So every aged stag standing with the mob has been taken out and We wonder WTF these "big old deer" are hiding.... they aint.

anyway thats my opinion on that question. cheers.

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

I think it does matter from the point that everyone wants to improve their knowledge and judgement of animals, to take an animal they have made a correct call on and to feel good about it. We cant learn without discussing animals that have been photographed. In this thread they are dead.
How did you access your nine to be well past his best ? He is well past anything now
The spiker in Yesmate's post above is exceptional as he says. Those spikers with big clean thick spikes like that are rare and always grow into big clean heads. Shooting the rubbish pencil thin spikers is doing the herds a favour long term. Just look how the Wap herd has improved with a couple of decades of 'Leave the best, shoot the rest' management.

Amen Brother.

Originally Posted by Pongo12

Bloody oath, thats why I only chuck pics up every now and again. Too much dramas otherwise

Nah i dont believe its Dramas, I questioned Your approach and somewhat Ethics in a non direct way, mostly because come the Roar alot of those type hunters come out of the Woodwork and in hindsight, the Deer an particularly Stags ar ein their absolute Weakest moment.... but it is often Spruked as Dominant hunter marks up another Kill....
You mention taking a tonne of Hinds out during Winter, thats actually Great and to me makes me think you are more a better hunter for that.

@Stocky has asked some Awesome Questions and put in some decent food for thought, among others, i tried to snavel a few Comments to quote for now....

No hard feelings but the bottom line is with all you guys mention, 1080, Heli, Venison market, Hunters, Shooters and killers, multiplying each season and we have Clearly just seen what 1 year does to Stags in GENERAL without being Shot due to Govt demand, however Australia is a very similiar boat so the time is now to start thinkin about things We do as hunters ourselves as the Overall picture..... hmmm Do i kill that Spiker just because i get 13kg more meat or shoot one of the Seven hinds he is with................ (in back of mind* is that spiker my mates Sons Trophy Royal in 6 years time)

"DEER PROBLEM" directly relates to Hinds eating plants or produce............. not often stags antlers taken bark of a native.