Thread: People very sick after eating wild pig

Another thing occurred to me is that maybe the Botulism anti-toxin only appeared to work as the neurotoxin wore off anyway.

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

Another thing occurred to me is that maybe the Botulism anti-toxin only appeared to work as the neurotoxin wore off anyway.

That is what they were worried about. They were recovering much faster than the Botulism treatment was expected to work. That's part of what tipped them off that it may not be what they thought (guessed?) it was. In sayig that, if it was going to take weeks to get a test result, then they are not going to wait until then to start treating them as they could deteriorate with a lack of treatment.

Link to article, which states 1080 was also tested for alongside botulinum toxin. Both negative. Creepy mention of a bowl of pork meal still appearing fresh after 35 days, everything else around it rotten...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/hea...waikato-family

Sounds like the 1080 was tested for 18 days after the fact by which time it will be untraceable, We really should be testing for it straight away in cases like this or others when we spread it around like butter on toast and there is no antidote.
What could it hurt to test for it?

Would it not have been negligent not to have tested all possibilities? I’d have been pissed if I was in this situation and some Doc decided in his personal view not to test for 1080 when it was relevant to the case?
I meant Doctor, F’ing Doc wouldn’t be interested under any circumstance.

Originally Posted by Malhunting

Sounds like the 1080 was tested for 18 days after the fact by which time it will be untraceable, We really should be testing for it straight away in cases like this or others when we spread it around like butter on toast and there is no antidote.
What could it hurt to test for it?

iirc other poisons like brodi/similar rat poisons linger for a lot longer and are easily detected (someone correct me if I'm wrong) - which starts to narrow the field of potential suspects I think?

Originally Posted by Malhunting

Sounds like the 1080 was tested for 18 days after the fact by which time it will be untraceable, We really should be testing for it straight away in cases like this or others when we spread it around like butter on toast and there is no antidote.
What could it hurt to test for it?

iirc other poisons like brodi/similar rat poisons linger for a lot longer and are easily detected (someone correct me if I'm wrong) - which starts to narrow the field of potential suspects I think?

There are literally hundreds of bacterial toxins from mouldy fruit or veggies or wild shrooms that could have caused it.
As each possible poison requires a specific test, saying they should have tested for "poison" is nonsensical that would involve thousands of tests, a huge number of samples, take ages and then possibly still draw a blank. They picked the most likely options based on symptoms and went with those.

Originally Posted by Marty Henry

There are literally hundreds of bacterial toxins from mouldy fruit or veggies or wild shrooms that could have caused it.
As each possible poison requires a specific test, saying they should have tested for "poison" is nonsensical that would involve thousands of tests, a huge number of samples, take ages and then possibly still draw a blank. They picked the most likely options based on symptoms and went with those.

@Marty Henry

Yes, looking at the other way, they did not know enough to justify NOT administering botulinum antitoxin.

From the symptoms it seems to be a neurotoxin, there are many out there.

Didn't read all 14 pages, is it possible to get secondary poisoning from tutu plant/berries?

Yup, best known example is tutu, people have been poisoned by eating honey containing tutu nectar. It has no effect on the bees and now beekeepers must test honey for tutu if harvested in areas where it grows.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/100...ng-lawyer-says

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

Rumour has it that the old girl bought some dodgy shit back from India (or somewhere) recently. And MPI are running for cover to save their arses for letting it through the border.

They make it seem like you couldn't get into the country with the remains of a Rogue Fart in ya jocks on TV.

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

Rumour has it that the old girl bought some dodgy shit back from India (or somewhere) recently. And MPI are running for cover to save their arses for letting it through the border.

It could be anything then. They should just com out and say "we do our best to stop this happening but this is why it's a bad idea to bring back food from overseas"