Thread: People very sick after eating wild pig

Originally Posted by Maca49

My sons a Doctor, reading the bullshit here on not trusting a doctor, I hope when you really get ill you don't scurry off to some poor Doc that's never met you before and has no history on you for treatment??
Go to your naturopath, or maybe post on here for advice or just curl up and die!!

It is not about all doctors being bad. It is about pushing a lot of them for proper diagnosis. I am missing a brother-in-law because of one, and I live in pretty constant pain and don't know if I'll be able to stand up each morning because of others. It is like any profession/trade.

Like anything, if it doesn't fit your gut feeling and what you know vote with your feet and go elsewhere. In this instance there is a group of doctors that are ignoring the warnings of another group of doctors and experts and other reasonably informed and logical people.

There is a big difference between sensibly seeking a second opinion from professionals or pushing your Dr for more information to what has been the main topic of this thread.

This thread seems to have been about second guessing with a paucity of information and no or little medical expertise, and building conspiracies out of nothing. There is an element of wishful thinking too...that the illness was somehow linked to poison residue.

In my work I hear peoples delusions and alternative truths all day long. Some of these threads are like ground hog day to me.

But please don't tell me to simply not read them if I don't like them. There would be no fun in that.

Originally Posted by Tahr

There is a big difference between sensibly seeking a second opinion from professionals or pushing your Dr for more information to what has been the main topic of this thread.

This thread seems to have been about second guessing with a paucity of information and no or little medical expertise, and building conspiracies out of nothing. There is an element of wishful thinking too...that the illness was somehow linked to poison residue.

I am a professional in my field (IT) and a lot of my work involves troubleshooting.

So from that point of view two things stood out too me:
- the doctors are not seeking tests outside of botulism
- the tests are taking up to a month

Sure some people are talking up the 1080 aspect and that is tin foil hat stuff. But lets get away from the hunting conspiracies, what if this was a case of poisoning where the husband found out his missus was cheating and dumped a sachet full of rat poison in their food in a murder/suicide setup? It's not unheard of in that ethnic group for such radical actions. It just seems very narrow minded to follow one potential answer.

Oh Christ, I willed myself not to read this bullshit...but couldn't resist reading all 9 pages from start to finish. I feel dumber for having done so, and I'm pretty sure I've lowered my IQ a few points now by association.

Kj

Originally Posted by vulcannz

I am a professional in my field (IT) and a lot of my work involves troubleshooting.

So from that point of view two things stood out too me:
- the doctors are not seeking tests outside of botulism
- the tests are taking up to a month

Sure some people are talking up the 1080 aspect and that is tin foil hat stuff. But lets get away from the hunting conspiracies, what if this was a case of poisoning where the husband found out his missus was cheating and dumped a sachet full of rat poison in their food in a murder/suicide setup? It's not unheard of in that ethnic group for such radical actions. It just seems very narrow minded to follow one potential answer.

I give the health services and the Police a lot of credit for problem solving and getting to the bottom of things. I'm sure that both are looking at this from every aspect and using all of the information that they have to hand.

It's most likely a flawed assumption to think that either is on a single track, just as its probably a flawed assumption to think that all of the information available is in the public's hands.

The assumption that certain scenarios are likely because that is what a particular "ethnic group" do is too far out there for me...but you might want to ring the Police and suggest it to them. They might not have thought of that.

Discussion in a forum is very much an exercise in brainstorming - resulting in good and bad ideas, and in criticisms of both. Nothing wrong with that.

It is a most curious case and the apparent time window for the couple going down with poisoning does not fit with clostridium botulinum toxin ingestion, nor does their loss of consciousness.

It carries little weight to cite that the treating team have the whole picture when the evidence that is available appears to exclude botulism. Not reassuring for hunters.

yup macca i llikes ya style .same happened with me recently where my locum GP being a very honest prick said he was not trained in the arts of psych medicine so was not qualified to comment on my mental state and fitness to go back to work.line management in accordance with ACC protocols argued that he should until i found a very devious back door way round it.He became quite distressed so i told himand one of the "managers"that i admired his bloody honesty and id have him on my team anytime.

Yep they ain’t god, but don’t knock em, they’re the first buggers you go to when your I’ll. Better they know you before you get sick instead of after!
Had my Doc for 20 plus years, he’s changed my health so I don’t relay on daily doses of bad stuff, he’s been brutal when I’ve had a few scares and he’s the only one that I let check all my orifices!
Get to know your Doc! That’s my advice.

Originally Posted by Maca49

Yep they ain’t god, but don’t knock em, they’re the first buggers you go to when your I’ll. Better they know you before you get sick instead of after!
Had my Doc for 20 plus years, he’s changed my health so I don’t relay on daily doses of bad stuff, he’s been brutal when I’ve had a few scares and he’s the only one that I let check all my orifices!
Get to know your Doc! That’s my advice.

Thanks @Maca49. That's profound. Yes, please know me as me, not as my illness.

Now seems the alleged "wild pork" was sourced from a home kill place

I think you have misread the article Woody......

The Stuff article has used that case to warn against home kill or giving away or illegally selling game meat.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cri...-botulism-case

Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't see Woody naming the source of his info in his post, so maybe you are being a bit presumptious @cambo

The article has been changed.. when first published, it claimed that the family had bought their pork online somewhere..

Interesting how we see things differently. It seems to me that the change was to make it more truthful by correcting a mistake or assumption. That's good journalism in my view, not bad journalism.

Sure the journo could have done some fact checking, but at least they made the change. That's more than what we often do on here.