Thread: PLB saves hunter

JD I think you are being disingenuous. If you need me to clarify I addressed your opinion in that same quote, as well as stating it's not good advice. and if you didn't give advice, then what the hell was this?

[QUOTE]Stop falling off fucking cliffs./QUOTE]

In this post above and below Ive listed a number of silly things you have said. That's not saying you are silly. But equally Its not important if you are feeling insulted or offended at that. In the same way that you didn't care about the quality of you commentary too others.


Out of 19 participants in this thread, two have needed to push the PLB button due to serious injury. That's not insignificant. Even 2 out of the 3-400 people who regularly contribute is still significant. Carrying a PLB is no different too carrying a thermal blanket, or other survival/first aid equipment. Each has its use pertaining too certain actions or risks.
Ive used my blanket and lighter on one occasion. The Galatea faces mid august with snow and sleet when we couldnt find our way through the bluffs back to car by dark. Long cold night but not particularly risky because we recognised the situation early and stopped and built a shelter etc.
Ive used my first aid kit twice, specifically the Butterfly sutures when one guy cut his hand too the bone on the lid of a can, and another occasion when someone slipped and cut themselves with a knife.
Whether its those type of uses, or a major one of hypothermia or major injury that requires assistance from outside, its not about something as dismissive as anxiety or clumsiness. It's about rational common sense, and being prepared.

I'm really not sure that qualifies as advice to be honest. I think your reaching for an example there...I think I was trying to be humorous. But if it is advice, it might not be bad advice though, right? Stop falling off cliffs! What you need to find is a quote where I advise people not to carry a PLB, which is what you have implied I have said, when you say I am giving "not good advice", but as we both know, I havn't said that anywhere, actually the opposite. Carry three if you want. That is actually disingenuous. You are dissembling.

I really wanted you to address what I wrote about deer hunting not really being that dangerous, and whether articles like that skew the perception of it, when considering the amount of people that do it compared with other sports and the number of people who have injuries or die. The amount of people who responded on this thread is obviously skewed towards those posting who have an experience and wish to share it.

I am not offended, I am a remarkably shallow person and thick skinned, but people attacking me personally is not the same thing as addressing what I wrote, which is what I am complaining about. Your still doing it. Not only am I disparaging and dismissive, write silly things, and deliberately obtuse, but now I am disingenuous. Who knows what unsavoury epithets will come next if I continue to hold my own opinion.

The bit that I think people really dont like, (I am guessing, they dont like a lot of things about me) is when I said that I dont have one because I am not anxious about being in the bush. People are hell bent on insulting me out of that opinion. It is nevertheless true. I really don't know what else to tell you.

Originally Posted by 308

Could you guys please stop replying to Johnboy DicksBuried?
I blocked that fuckwit ages back and yet he keeps coming back like a stale fart

@308

Glad I'm not the only one.

Having pushed the button myself I find his attitude arrogant and frankly disgusting.

However regarding the OP I know someone of a similar age on Stewy and was hoping it wasn't him which I believe it isn't. Stewy might be a island but it's not for the faint of heart.

Originally Posted by Rock river arms hunter

@308

Glad I'm not the only one.

Having pushed the button myself I find his attitude arrogant and frankly disgusting.

However regarding the OP I know someone of a similar age on Stewy and was hoping it wasn't him which I believe it isn't. Stewy might be a island but it's not for the faint of heart.

See where we are? I say I havnt got one and dont think I need one, and this guy thinks I am arrogant and disgusting. Amazing really the amount of personal abuse.

Originally Posted by John Duxbury

I'm really not sure that qualifies as advice to be honest. I think your reaching for an example there...I think I was trying to be humorous. But if it is advice, it might not be bad advice though, right? Stop falling off cliffs! What you need to find is a quote where I advise people not to carry a PLB, which is what you have implied I have said, when you say I am giving "not good advice", but as we both know, I havn't said that anywhere, actually the opposite. Carry three if you want. That is actually disingenuous. You are dissembling.

I really wanted you to address what I wrote about deer hunting not really being that dangerous, and whether articles like that skew the perception of it, when considering the amount of people that do it compared with other sports and the number of people who have injuries or die. The amount of people who responded on this thread is obviously skewed towards those posting who have an experience and wish to share it.

I am not offended, I am a remarkably shallow person and thick skinned, but people attacking me personally is not the same thing as addressing what I wrote, which is what I am complaining about. Your still doing it. Not only am I disparaging and dismissive, write silly things, and deliberately obtuse, but now I am disingenuous. Who knows what unsavoury epithets will come next if I continue to hold my own opinion.

The bit that I think people really dont like, (I am guessing, they dont like a lot of things about me) is when I said that I dont have one because I am not anxious about being in the bush. People are hell bent on insulting me out of that opinion. It is nevertheless true. I really don't know what else to tell you.

Your intent/how it reads can be argued for ever. Simply the fact you knew it would head this way tends to tell me you went in pushing buttons. That most seem to have read it the same way as myself says something. But ive said my bit and can see its going nowhere so Ill leave it be.

What you wish me to address- what kind of deer hunting? I agree that wandering out the back of the farm and shooting any deer on dark is not that dangerous or challenging. I full accept I never took my survival equipment with me for anything like that.
Spending a week by yourself 20kms up a Westland valley or mountain tops though does add a layer of risk.
Likewise currently Im having fun accessing hunting via packraft. many times the crossing is almost wadeable. Yet I carry a lifejacket. Because it's a sensible precaution.

As far as the overall danger- google provided me with these statistics.

[QUOTE]Frequency of Injuries:
On average, 1030 people are injured while hunting in New Zealand every year.
Causes of Deaths:
Firearms: 22 out of 41 deaths between 2007 and 2016 involved firearms.
Falls: 11 hunters were killed in falling incidents during the same period.
ACC Data:
ACC data shows there were 435 hunting-related injury claims made during the last roar in 2019 (March and April), up 31% on the same period in 2018.
Mountain Safety Council Data:
Between 2004 and 2016, 12,628 hunters were injured. /QUOTE]

And if we compare that too dockworkers as you used as example.

[QUOTE]Since 2012, 18 port workers have died in New Zealand, with the stevedoring industry having the second-highest fatality rate of any sector in the country, averaging 1.8 deaths per year.
/QUOTE]

That's 4 hunter deaths per year on average too 1,8 dockworkers.

I knew it would go this way because we've had this thread before. That doesn't mean I have to just shut up for fear of upsetting you, or Rock river arms hunter or Stocky. You're all grown men and should be able to accomodate someone with a different opinion. .308 is a fuckwit with the brains of some lichen so he doesnt count. I doubt he even knows what this thread is about.
For convenience in the discussion, reduce your statistics to 435 x ACC injury claims in the last year, if you are agreeable. What recreational activity can we compared these figures to?

Then we have to talk about what people do, as you say. I would argue the week up a West coast valley doesn't require anything special concern-wise. I just got back form one of those last weekend, and is the second full week in the last moth or so. Going back for two weeks beginning of April, so its reasonably common. Whereas Tahr hunting in the mountains can be different, I have done some of it years ago, and although nothing ever happened I can see taking a PLB for tahr hunting as a general rule. I suppose what I dont agree with is the sweeping generalisation that hunting overall or operating in the back country of NZ by definition is an especially dangerous activity. This upsets some people, I dont know why. Perhaps some guys like to brag about how dangerous what they do is. They want it to be dangerous or something, I dunno.

I now carry a PLB. Until a tragedy about 15 years ago I didn't bother. There was a guy overdue from a hunting trip. He'd been gone a week or so in a big area of back country, so his potential location was not clear. After he was overdue couple of days a search was launched using local resources. An acquaintance of mine was roped in to fly his machine to assist. In bad weather on the way to the search area he flew into the ground and was killed. The guy they were seaching for had suffered a medical event that incapacitated him but he was eventually located and was fine. All the people I know associated with this matter now carry PLBs. A push of a button by the lost guy would have prompted a rescue that was properly planned and carried out with the optimal equipment, and my cobber would likely as not still be with us.

Nothing to do with risk.

Look JD, you are free and entitled to say what you think. Im not upset about it. I just dont agree and think it's silly, and Feel just as free to say so as you do. I do not see how you have come too that conclusion that a differing opinion conflates too upset. Or should I shut my mouth out of fear of offending you?

435 acc claims was not a year. It was a 2 month period. The roar, and so relatively specific too deer hunting. It was over a thousand a year on acc and MSC figures.


You yourself made the claim that deer hunting wasn't hazardous. Working on the waterfront was. yet over twice the number of hunters are killed each year compared to waterfront workers.