Very well said Micky Duck
Very well said Micky Duck
I'm going to add.
If you have permission to take your dog, tie the bloody thing up, leave it in its crate or leave it in the vehicle with windows closed when you visit the cockee irrespective of it being a well behaved "wonder dog".
and before you ask......................not my dog or "spot" but I was witness
and to this day the dogs owner wonders why the dog is not allowed back!!
Something else that goes a long way to create a good relationship with the owner is. When your out there hunting if you come across something that seems out of place or you thing isn't right for where you are. It might be a water trough running over or a tree over a fence. mention it to the owner it may be nothing but if it is it can be a big help to the owner
"you belong somewhere you feel free"-Tom Petty
Back to public land …
Im only too happy for someone I’ve taken to a spot to go back another day, take his bro up thhere, shoot a deer if he can. Most often its the new visitor who misses out and they guy who know the block gets one the first time.
A mate of mine showed me a little spot on public land that holds a little heard of fallows and a few goats.
It took us a year before seeing our first fallow and another two before we shot one.
Wanting to see the heard grow we never shot more than two or three animals a year.
After five of six years we were rewarded by seeing more and more animals which was really encouraging.
But in the last two years , we have noticed that some other hunters have been on that place and now the numbers of fallow is really down, I did not shoot even one fallow over the last two times I went there and saw only two.
So hence why I would not reveal such a spot and certainly not on a forum. One in respect of my mate's spot and second because the place would be ruined very quickly.
On another hand if a newbie wanted to hunt the kaimais I would encourage him to explore Thomson track, wairere falls or Te Rui track.
It's a tough school to develop and hone your hunting skills but once you got a deer there, you know you would have really deserved it.
I have been on the receiving end of having people try to get their own access to private areas I have shown them, a number of times. It has made me a much less sharing person, now.
After having been told no GPS one guy insulted me by saying my speedo was out!
Oh how do you know that I asked
sheepishly he said I had my gps on..... but I didnt pin any spots.
Personally I treat the situation ( being shown an area) as if it belonged to the person showing me, and if I need to go back there, I ask them first before any other steps are taken.
this is a big one for me. private land, certainly it would be rude but public? nah, I've no issues with guys going back later and having a go on their own. 90% of your success on a hunt is down to skill and luck, we've all been into those places where there is a ton of sign, fresh hoofprints and seen nothing. if a newbie wants to go out and practice somewhere they know there are animals, to get their eye in, more power to them.
i also assume that if it's within a 3hr walk from anywhere you can get a car to then it's no secret.
""if it's within a 3hr walk from anywhere you can get a car to then it's no secret.""
Mmm.... you couldnt be further from the trulth! There are quite a few areas in my neck of the woods that are less than 1.5 hours walk from the car and they the best kept secrets around.
Ive got spots next to no one goes to, or one person a year etc and they prob looking for a dog lol and they prime spots for deer.
Some of those spots i havnt seen a boot mark for years in there and i can likely see a deer within 20min walk........
These are the spots that have been hard earned, going to numerous spots that have failed or arent well kept secrets lol but they are out there.
And theres more than people think and in places others just wouldnt dream about going so they the spots you dont always want to share , otherwise they end up f .cked
No one goes there because they all drive past, looks to gnargy to even think about going there for a look but are gems for a bush stalker
To my mind is about courtesy to a man who own the lands, awareness of their operation and accountability of being guest. For the "protocol" part, may is just people issue, who shared what with whom on where, since share the happiness of fishing & hunting with people is a pleasure.
As for the exchange of favor, I am happy to do so but I though if put real cash into this sort relation will not be propriety. I like small games, I can `t some farm works, cooking if farmers like to eat something different from their daily, or something else. But, I am still in phase 1.0 looking for doors to knock.
So be it
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