Thread: A question for the doubters

Originally Posted by Tentman

Another thing is the amount of mud and other things like that on some animals, a professional shooter who mostly uses 223 on mostly reds told me he has lost stags in the roar with the 223 so carries something snottier at that time.

I hope he keeps that secret from non-nato countries! No need for Kevlar body armour, just plaster yourself in mud and you’re good to go!

Three pages in and no one has attempted to answer the question. What would it take to me you believe that 22 centrefires are legitimate deer hunting cartridges?

What I see is a community of people that are so intrenched in the ‘folklore’ of it all, that they’re unable to ratify a logical point backed by data. I think that no matter what I or @gimp or @Tahr or anyone else for that matter did with a .223, it would be considered some kind of exception. If I shot an 8pt stag the argument would be - ‘12 point stags are just so much harder/stronger/thicker/whatever’.

Nothing personal against anyone that has posted, it’s more an observation about the shooting and hunting community. We all grew up with the BS written by people to sell shit, and we can’t see past it despite of overwhelming evidence.

Originally Posted by Hunter_Nick

I hope he keeps that secret from non-nato countries! No need for Kevlar body armour, just plaster yourself in mud and you’re good to go!

Three pages in and no one has attempted to answer the question. What would it take to me you believe that 22 centrefires are legitimate deer hunting cartridges?

What I see is a community of people that are so intrenched in the ‘folklore’ of it all, that they’re unable to ratify a logical point backed by data. I think that no matter what I or @gimp or @Tahr or anyone else for that matter did with a .223, it would be considered some kind of exception. If I shot an 8pt stag the argument would be - ‘12 point stags are just so much harder/stronger/thicker/whatever’.

Nothing personal against anyone that has posted, it’s more an observation about the shooting and hunting community. We all grew up with the BS written by people to sell shit, and we can’t see past it despite of overwhelming evidence.

yeah but hunter nick we all had fun on a shitty wet day great discussion no one threw their toys out of the cot as so often happens great stuff

Originally Posted by Hunter_Nick

I hope he keeps that secret from non-nato countries! No need for Kevlar body armour, just plaster yourself in mud and you’re good to go!

Three pages in and no one has attempted to answer the question. What would it take to me you believe that 22 centrefires are legitimate deer hunting cartridges?

What I see is a community of people that are so intrenched in the ‘folklore’ of it all, that they’re unable to ratify a logical point backed by data. I think that no matter what I or @gimp or @Tahr or anyone else for that matter did with a .223, it would be considered some kind of exception. If I shot an 8pt stag the argument would be - ‘12 point stags are just so much harder/stronger/thicker/whatever’.

Nothing personal against anyone that has posted, it’s more an observation about the shooting and hunting community. We all grew up with the BS written by people to sell shit, and we can’t see past it despite of overwhelming evidence.

I guess I could have provided better context in my earlier post..... essentially suggesting that in my view its more than simply the killing efficacy that matters? Extending the example I used, I don't doubt that bush shot Sika I referred to would have tipped up just the same if I'd used a .223 with a decent projectile, rather than my .308. But I'm even more confident I wouldn't have found/recovered as many.

Watching with interest. :lol:

Originally Posted by Hunter_Nick

I hope he keeps that secret from non-nato countries! No need for Kevlar body armour, just plaster yourself in mud and you’re good to go!

Three pages in and no one has attempted to answer the question. What would it take to me you believe that 22 centrefires are legitimate deer hunting cartridges?

What I see is a community of people that are so intrenched in the ‘folklore’ of it all, that they’re unable to ratify a logical point backed by data. I think that no matter what I or @gimp or @Tahr or anyone else for that matter did with a .223, it would be considered some kind of exception. If I shot an 8pt stag the argument would be - ‘12 point stags are just so much harder/stronger/thicker/whatever’.

Nothing personal against anyone that has posted, it’s more an observation about the shooting and hunting community. We all grew up with the BS written by people to sell shit, and we can’t see past it despite of overwhelming evidence.

I think you are missing the point that myself and a lot of other people are making, the type of bullet, the point of impact and the internals damaged on the way through are usually more important than the actual caliber used. A .223 with a good, modern tough bullet may drop a stag quicker than a .308 with a lighter more soft bullet intended for smaller game.

Put another way, if I'm out with a .223 and a decent stag walks in front of me do you think I'm going to unload and say nup? No, but am I going to be a lot more particular about my shot placement than if I had a bigger caliber? Yes. Am I going to take a pot shot at a piss-me-off stoat with a big magnum? No, for the other reason the round is just going to go through into and onward forever.