Thread: A question for the doubters

Originally Posted by blip

the man with one tool is likely more proficient than the man with many tools for the same job or something like that

The ‘beware of the man that only has the one gun’ sort of thing?

Edit: I see it’s already been mentioned!

Originally Posted by Finnwolf

The ‘beware of the man that only has the one gun’ sort of thing?

Edit: I see it’s already been mentioned!

That's a saying that gets thrown around a lot within the gun community but I've always found it somewhat amusing because there are no serious shooters that have only one gun. Guns are tools, you need other spare tools if you rely on tools.

Many serious shooters promote a three-gun approach:
1 - Small game .22 Rimfire
2 - Medium game .223 - wallabies, goats, fallow etc
3 - Larger game - a centrefire with a bullet weight between 120gr up to about 180gr max, with a diameter of between .25 and .30, with a velocity of between 2700fps and 3200fps.

Look this thread has been an enjoyable read and Gimp & Hunter Nick have made some valid and interesting points, but after reading all 17 pages...
if I had only one rifle it wouldn't be a .223 even with heavy-for-caliber bullets.

I don't think Daniel Boone said that though....Daniel Boone had lots of rifles, but the indians kept taking them off him...

I love the .223 and all kinds of rifles. I was out shooting a flintlock today, which I would happily shoot a deer with out to 100 yards with a round ball peice of pure lead. But if I had to pick one rifle for everything bigger than rabbits, and it was a serious decision, it would be a .308.

Originally Posted by John Duxbury

I don't think Daniel Boone said that though....Daniel Boone had lots of rifles, but the indians kept taking them off him...

I love the .223 and all kinds of rifles. I was out shooting a flintlock today, which I would happily shoot a deer with out to 100 yards with a round ball peice of pure lead. But if I had to pick one rifle for everything bigger than rabbits, and it was a serious decision, it would be a .308.

Daniel Boone was pretty slick on a tomahawk too.
I remember seeing him split a standing tree in half from about twenty yards.
And I don't subscribe to the one gun theory. Often the guy with one gun drags it out from behind the wash house door, and it's a cruddy old 22,covered in rust, bullets in the mag etc. Nothing about that makes me think he's proficient with it.

Doe's this mean the end of the 6.5 as king of the hill I used to here it was the only one ever needed by many a scribe here?

really there is only one rifle to consider if you had to go one gun - a drilling - one or two 12gauge or 28 gauge over a 6.5 or 30 cal barrel open sights -or two sets of barrels one shot the other rifled - I go for the 4-5 method 12gauge 22 222 308

Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

really there is only one rifle to consider if you had to go one gun - a drilling - one or two 12gauge or 28 gauge over a 6.5 or 30 cal barrel open sights -or two sets of barrels one shot the other rifled - I go for the 4-5 method 12gauge 22 222 308

I'll go sell my 12x12 over a 7x65R then. I knew I should have checked here before I bought it, but 30 cal is so last century.

Originally Posted by Ross Nolan

I'll go sell my 12x12 over a 7x65R then. I knew I should have checked here before I bought it, but 30 cal is so last century.

Tell ya what... I'll be a good bugger and take it off your hands for a box of beer. Can't get faier than that eh

Originally Posted by Hunty1

Tell ya what... I'll be a good bugger and take it off your hands for a box of beer. Can't get faier than that eh

Not if I have to drive to Vegas to collect.
If youre delivering.....

Originally Posted by Barry the hunter

really there is only one rifle to consider if you had to go one gun - a drilling - one or two 12gauge or 28 gauge over a 6.5 or 30 cal barrel open sights -or two sets of barrels one shot the other rifled - I go for the 4-5 method 12gauge 22 222 308

Drillings and whatever the Eurosexuals call their triple-barreled hunting rifles are an excellent way to make a very expensive rifle that is crap at everything.

Originally Posted by caberslash

Drillings and whatever the Eurosexuals call their triple-barreled hunting rifles are an excellent way to make a very expensive rifle that is crap at everything.

The next time I shoot a deer or pig with the 7x65 while out pheasant shooting I'll remember this and realise how wrong I am. Carrying a separate rifle is so much more convenient.

There are many roads to paradise, Grasshopper - not just the one you are currently on.

Originally Posted by Ross Nolan

The next time I shoot a deer or pig with the 7x65 while out pheasant shooting I'll remember this and realise how wrong I am. Carrying a separate rifle is so much more convenient.

There are many roads to paradise, Grasshopper - not just the one you are currently on.

Or shoot both with a shotgun?

Originally Posted by caberslash

Drillings and whatever the Eurosexuals call their triple-barreled hunting rifles are an excellent way to make a very expensive rifle that is crap at everything.

bull shit many of us would love to own one the craftsmanship the quality you scots guys stick then to ya cabers and long pointy sticks

It's interesting that this far no one has mentioned the combination the cartridge was DESIGNED around... 55grn fmj with rifling slow enough to make it barely stable.... The fast twist negates it somewhat but the concept is still there and some of the harder borderline stable projectiles may have merit. Having used many norinco yellow box 55grn fmj on game....holy smoke they work alright.

Excellent point. “All models are wrong, but some are useful” quote attributed to someone I can’t recall