Thread: A question for NZDA members

Originally Posted by scoped

Bagherra is right on the money

for a start yes the magazine is a fair waste of time and money , the nzda national body know this and changes are going to be made in the near future.
in terms of the content, as above, if you want to see good stuff, then why not write an article? they pay good coin for good articles ($100 a page)
referred to as an old boys club, well why not get stuck in, get involved and try and change that?

the NZDA have to be careful they dont fall behind the times, its already happening and theres plenty of people and media outlets that are quite easily walking all over things they SHOULD be doing to influence hunter's voice and rights in NZ at this time.

Agree,

All too easy to yell don't kick it pass it from the sidelines but when you get the ball passsed and Owen franks has you lined up suddenly youve done your hammy
Mind you my hammy is getting tight after 4 years secretary work at the local club, all part of rolling your sleeves up tho.

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Shot

Originally Posted by Kooza

Agree,

All too easy to yell don't kick it pass it from the sidelines but when you get the ball passsed and Owen franks has you lined up suddenly youve done your hammy
Mind you my hammy is getting tight after 4 years secretary work at the local club, all part of rolling your sleeves up tho.

Ps, like and follow our Facebook page Our Facebook | NZDA Napier

Shot

all due respect but FB is total BS and i will never go to any FB page

I agree with some of the above comments and can understand why you started this thread. With all due respect to Tony that article deserves some intelligent and respectful responses, it's way off the mark and contains so many inflammatory and emotional statements.
I plan to write a letter to the editor, I urge those of you who are a member to do the same.
The magazine needs a major overhaul, a new editor and a fresh start.
That article must have pissed off so many of thier members, talk about being out of touch!

Everybody's entitled to their opinion. Saddening from NZDA's perspective to see some of the sentiments held, and expressed. Not surprising though. Here's my two cents worth.
I trust we may agree it's an undeniable fact - NZDA as an organisation has done immeasurable good for the sport of recreational hunting in New Zealand - for 80-odd years. It's unlikely to be overtaken - as the only recreational hunting organisation with 50-odd Branches, and covering virtually the whole country.
It's vitally important - even more so now than ever - that recreational hunting has an effective, national voice. There are some significant threats, both direct and indirect.
NZDA is certainly not perfect - and a lot of the sentiment here has various degress of validity. Organisations like NZDA inevitably wax and wane over the years, as the dynamic environment in which they operate also changes. Leadership, too, goes through periods of being strong - and not so strong. As does the Membership.
Right now, there's quite a bit of positive, constructive effort going on "behind the scenes" - to try and encourage NZDA to drag itself kicking and screaming into the 21st Century. Our young Members should not inherit an outfit that's stuck in the past, or lost it's way - in today's fast-changing and technological world.
We must be realistic about what we expect of it, though. It's run entirely by volunteers. Some people put an unreasonable amount of time and effort into it. As with any such outfit - some of these efforts are inevitably misguided. But that doesn't make them not well-intentioned. Branches are a reflection of their combined membership. If we don't like the way our Branch operates - we always have the option of stepping up, and doing something about it. I have a rule I strive to stick to - I don't indulge in criticism - unless I'm prepared to do something constructive, too.
Personally, I don't look at my Subscription as just something I should necessarily get value-for-money for. It's also a contribution towards the maintenance and upkeep of the recreational activity we inherited, and we love - and we all want to continue to be available, for our children and grandchildren to enjoy. I put several times my Sub into my freezer each year, all free-range organic meat. I don't care if I get nothing back - this alone (making a contribution) is worth it, for me. It's bugger all really, maybe just one tank of diesel. Maybe it's worth it for you, too?
For this reason - if you think of yourself as a Recreational Hunter - I urge you to remain an NZDA Member, or join. A key part of being able to represent and advocate for recreational hunting - is to have a strong Membership of recreational hunters. It's all about having the numbers.
As for Hunting & Wildlife - I believe it's been an institution within NZDA and beyond, since 1962 - the "glue" that has kept NZDA together - surviving through good times, and bad. Personally, I want to keep getting mine in hardcopy form - but it makes sense that Member's have the option to save the organisation some money, and opt-out - either to receive in electronic format only, or not at all. There are some good ideas floating about.
Happy Hunting.

Originally Posted by stewart.h

Everybody's entitled to their opinion. Saddening from NZDA's perspective to see some of the sentiments held, and expressed. Not surprising though. Here's my two cents worth.
I trust we may agree it's an undeniable fact - NZDA as an organisation has done immeasurable good for the sport of recreational hunting in New Zealand - for 80-odd years. It's unlikely to be overtaken - as the only recreational hunting organisation with 50-odd Branches, and covering virtually the whole country.
It's vitally important - even more so now than ever - that recreational hunting has an effective, national voice. There are some significant threats, both direct and indirect.
NZDA is certainly not perfect - and a lot of the sentiment here has various degress of validity. Organisations like NZDA inevitably wax and wane over the years, as the dynamic environment in which they operate also changes. Leadership, too, goes through periods of being strong - and not so strong. As does the Membership.
Right now, there's quite a bit of positive, constructive effort going on "behind the scenes" - to try and encourage NZDA to drag itself kicking and screaming into the 21st Century. Our young Members should not inherit an outfit that's stuck in the past, or lost it's way - in today's fast-changing and technological world.
We must be realistic about what we expect of it, though. It's run entirely by volunteers. Some people put an unreasonable amount of time and effort into it. As with any such outfit - some of these efforts are inevitably misguided. But that doesn't make them not well-intentioned. Branches are a reflection of their combined membership. If we don't like the way our Branch operates - we always have the option of stepping up, and doing something about it. I have a rule I strive to stick to - I don't indulge in criticism - unless I'm prepared to do something constructive, too.
Personally, I don't look at my Subscription as just something I should necessarily get value-for-money for. It's also a contribution towards the maintenance and upkeep of the recreational activity we inherited, and we love - and we all want to continue to be available, for our children and grandchildren to enjoy. I put several times my Sub into my freezer each year, all free-range organic meat. I don't care if I get nothing back - this alone (making a contribution) is worth it, for me. It's bugger all really, maybe just one tank of diesel. Maybe it's worth it for you, too?
For this reason - if you think of yourself as a Recreational Hunter - I urge you to remain an NZDA Member, or join. A key part of being able to represent and advocate for recreational hunting - is to have a strong Membership of recreational hunters. It's all about having the numbers.
As for Hunting & Wildlife - I believe it's been an institution within NZDA and beyond, since 1962 - the "glue" that has kept NZDA together - surviving through good times, and bad. Personally, I want to keep getting mine in hardcopy form - but it makes sense that Member's have the option to save the organisation some money, and opt-out - either to receive in electronic format only, or not at all. There are some good ideas floating about.
Happy Hunting.

Best first post I've seen in a long time (if not ever).

I was a member for just one year, learnt next to nothing, which was why i joined in the first place.....this is the place for me!!!!! (crawly bumlick)

Unforturely like alot of clubs etc they need people on the ground to do the actual work and run things. We all want the NZDA to be more pro-active and interesting but no ones putting their hands up to run stuff and lead the way forward. The öld boys"" have been doing it along time and giving their time but some of them are just getting tired, behind the times or just dont have the time as they once did at the same time receiving negative feed back because they not doing enough which clearly has a overall negative effect.
HQ has alot to answer for, spending too much time with the GAC and sucking up to the Govt and Doc without acheiving that much while the NZDA clubs are left to defend for themselves.
People need to go along to their meetings, voice their opinion and lead a helping hand out once in awhile to make it far better than it is now. Joining the NZDA has its benifits, but if you want to be a lazy bastard and have every done for you and complain as soon as its not and rubbish it or not make a effort to connect to members once in awhile you part of its downfall and you only have yourselve to blame.
NZDA at a Head office needs to get it shit together thou, its letting the team down playing politics but at club level you can make a difference .
Just turning up and being postive for a start is a good way to start the year and go from there

This thread has turned into a bit of a "NZDA basher" which wasn't my intention, but I can see peoples frustration. To be honest they're fighting a battle against sites like this & facebook groups & I'd say they're losing in a big way, especially when it comes to younger fullas.

Take our local branch, Yes to many it's an old boys club, I know quite a few guys that have come to a meeting & will no return as they found it boring & no one even said gidday to em, shit I have to agree to a certain degree. I joined a couple of years back after putting it off for many years & there's still plenty of guys at meetings that have never introduced themselves or even said hello to me, But then this happens in lots of clubs.



Blaser & Shootm and a handful of others are doing their best to spark interest eg get more good speakers at meetings & running events like shoots & comps, but it's time consuming & in many cases a thankless job. I myself have been a total slack arse, I'm on the committee but just don't have the time to spend on it when jugging everything else.

What ever peoples thought are about the NZDA it's still a voice for the NZ hunter, Maybe it just needs to be a little more proactive from a national level.

Originally Posted by Philipo

This thread has turned into a bit of a "NZDA basher" which wasn't my intention, but I can see peoples frustration. To be honest they're fighting a battle against sites like this & facebook groups & I'd say they're losing in a big way, especially when it comes to younger fullas.

Take our local branch, Yes to many it's an old boys club, I know quite a few guys that have come to a meeting & will no return as they found it boring & no one even said gidday to em, shit I have to agree to a certain degree. I joined a couple of years back after putting it off for many years & there's still plenty of guys at meetings that have never introduced themselves or even said hello to me, But then this happens in lots of clubs.



Blaser & Shootm and a handful of others are doing their best to spark interest eg get more good speakers at meetings & running events like shoots & comps, but it's time consuming & in many cases a thankless job. I myself have been a total slack arse, I'm on the committee but just don't have the time to spend on it when jugging everything else.

What ever peoples thought are about the NZDA it's still a voice for the NZ hunter, Maybe it just needs to be a little more proactive from a national level.

I disagree, discussion like this is what is needed.

We are ALL busy and clubs run with volunteers usually struggle and a few do the majority of heavy lifting. I appreciate this.

I personally joined as I said because the local branch has a fantastic range facility and for the liability insurance. I am not really in a position to help out in other ways and don't seem to make the meetings due to other commitments.
Our local branch has had issues accessing the range thru the local forestry since its ownership changed. They are trying hard to resolve it but the new access arrangements currently in place do not suit us all and that is no fault of the local branch just they are attempting to make the best of the situation.

Its a difficult thing to be able to satisfy everyone. I would like to see the NZDA as an organisation support hunters (and shooters) issues in a stronger way ie. latest shamble with the police "interpretations" I would be ashamed if as in other countries they rushed to throw other hunting/shooting groups under buses or just rolled over in the hope it wont effect their members

Originally Posted by mikee

I disagree, discussion like this is what is needed.

We are ALL busy and clubs run with volunteers usually struggle and a few do the majority of heavy lifting. I appreciate this.

I personally joined as I said because the local branch has a fantastic range facility and for the liability insurance. I am not really in a position to help out in other ways and don't seem to make the meetings due to other commitments.
Our local branch has had issues accessing the range thru the local forestry since its ownership changed. They are trying hard to resolve it but the new access arrangements currently in place do not suit us all and that is no fault of the local branch just they are attempting to make the best of the situation.

Its a difficult thing to be able to satisfy everyone. I would like to see the NZDA as an organisation support hunters (and shooters) issues in a stronger way ie. latest shamble with the police "interpretations" I would be ashamed if as in other countries they rushed to throw other hunting/shooting groups under buses or just rolled over in the hope it wont effect their members

The NZDA prefer to supply a COLFO levy and let the appointed few do the work. Is it working?

Originally Posted by Mathias

The NZDA prefer to supply a COLFO levy and let the appointed few do the work. Is it working?

Colfo seem to have already assumed the bent over position.. They were the ones who suggested we comply with the new "interpretation" of what constitutes a thumbhole stock way back before it went to court and the police lost.

Not the topic of this thread but

I fail to understand why most users are so apathetic when as a group we are quite numerous and if we actually stood together / clubs all worked TOGETHER for the commin interest and sang from the same song sheet we might have a chance.

With views like David Nicol's above we are all fucked.

What does he think all guns were originally designed for Tiddlywinks?? Ask the deer if being shot with a 303 is more "sporting" than a SLR

Originally Posted by Philipo

This thread has turned into a bit of a "NZDA basher" which wasn't my intention, but I can see peoples frustration. To be honest they're fighting a battle against sites like this & facebook groups & I'd say they're losing in a big way, especially when it comes to younger fullas.

Take our local branch, Yes to many it's an old boys club, I know quite a few guys that have come to a meeting & will no return as they found it boring & no one even said gidday to em, shit I have to agree to a certain degree. I joined a couple of years back after putting it off for many years & there's still plenty of guys at meetings that have never introduced themselves or even said hello to me, But then this happens in lots of clubs.



Blaser & Shootm and a handful of others are doing their best to spark interest eg get more good speakers at meetings & running events like shoots & comps, but it's time consuming & in many cases a thankless job. I myself have been a total slack arse, I'm on the committee but just don't have the time to spend on it when jugging everything else.

What ever peoples thought are about the NZDA it's still a voice for the NZ hunter, Maybe it just needs to be a little more proactive from a national level.

Our local president was super on the side of all shooters when he published this on the front page of the BT

Originally Posted by Tommy

Our local president was super on the side of all shooters when he published this on the front page of the BT

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thin end of the wedge with attitudes like this

Originally Posted by Tommy

Our local president was super on the side of all shooters when he published this on the front page of the BT

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Exactly.

I didn't even get the respect of a reply when I asked what he meant.

xxx xxx<xxx@xtra.co.nz>
To president@deerstalkers.co.nz
CC Daniel Friedman 05/11/16 at 10:00 AM
Hi Dave,
Im not sure of the intention in your message about MSSAs being weapons and not hunting tools.
I hunt with bolt action rimfires and centrefires, with pump action shotguns and with semi auto centrefires. Some of the semis happen to be MSSAs due to a number of features, some are treated as Acat rifles again due to certain features, or lack of. Of course I have the correct endorsement to own MSSAs and follow the rules for that endorsement.
When I hunt goats, deer, pigs, rabbits and hares with my purpose built hunting AR15 which happens to be a MSSA, it is a tool for legal hunting purposes, so that makes it a hunting firearm, not a weapon.
Similarly when I hunt with my bolt actions or my Acat semi auto centrefires they are hunting firearms, not weapons.
When I target shoot with my fully wooded 1942 M1938 Swedish Mauser, my Sako 75 bolt action centrefires or my MSSA AR15 Service class rifle in competitions or just to practise at the range, they are target rifles, they are not weapons.
When I target shoot my pump action shotgun at clays, it's then a target shotgun, not a weapon.
It's the purpose of use that makes a firearm what it is. None of mine are weapons, not my MSSAs, not my bolt actions, not my Acat semis, not my shotgun.
I hope you have the time to clarify what your message was please.
Kind regards,
xxxx
Sent from my iPhone

Originally Posted by dogmatix

Exactly.

I didn't even get the respect of a reply when I asked what he meant.

xxx xxx<xxx@xtra.co.nz>
To president@deerstalkers.co.nz
CC Daniel Friedman 05/11/16 at 10:00 AM
Hi Dave,
Im not sure of the intention in your message about MSSAs being weapons and not hunting tools.
I hunt with bolt action rimfires and centrefires, with pump action shotguns and with semi auto centrefires. Some of the semis happen to be MSSAs due to a number of features, some are treated as Acat rifles again due to certain features, or lack of. Of course I have the correct endorsement to own MSSAs and follow the rules for that endorsement.
When I hunt goats, deer, pigs, rabbits and hares with my purpose built hunting AR15 which happens to be a MSSA, it is a tool for legal hunting purposes, so that makes it a hunting firearm, not a weapon.
Similarly when I hunt with my bolt actions or my Acat semi auto centrefires they are hunting firearms, not weapons.
When I target shoot with my fully wooded 1942 M1938 Swedish Mauser, my Sako 75 bolt action centrefires or my MSSA AR15 Service class rifle in competitions or just to practise at the range, they are target rifles, they are not weapons.
When I target shoot my pump action shotgun at clays, it's then a target shotgun, not a weapon.
It's the purpose of use that makes a firearm what it is. None of mine are weapons, not my MSSAs, not my bolt actions, not my Acat semis, not my shotgun.
I hope you have the time to clarify what your message was please.
Kind regards,
xxxx
Sent from my iPhone

Had this discussion with him in person. "they're all derived from M16's, and you can't shoot deer with them" was the response, I shit you not. The man is a fool. He also holds an E endorsement, still waiting to hear why, as he then has no lawful purpose to hold the endorsement.