Thread: SPCA call out 1080 for what it is - good on you !!

Originally Posted by R93

Dodged a few explosions and bullets in 20 yrs of service to this country.

Pretty sure I have some rights.

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But piss poor at reading "tongue in cheek" comments.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Im 70 for fucks sake. I didn't just come down yesterday. I make my own decisions based on my own experience and observations. Like farming 3000 acres on the east coast for 20 years when there were 350 farms in NZ with TB, including our own. Like trapping and hunting for a living. Deer capture and deer farming. Volunteer conservation. Spending a lifetime in the trees. Don't you bloody call me a sheep.

I think he meant sheeple .

Originally Posted by Tahr

But piss poor at reading "tongue in cheek" comments.

How so? I am not bothered at all.
My comment was tounge in cheek regarding your rant about what you have done.


We all are moulded and come from somewhere.

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Originally Posted by R93

It's not my point. You can believe everything you read if you want.
They said agent orange was harmless once, again backed by numerous studies. That turned out great.

I am talking about the unknown 20-30yrs from now.
Yes 1080 has been around for ages.

But it has never been used as much and in quantaties it has been recently.

Yeah I eat bacon but it's my choice, the government doesn't force me too





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I am very careful of which information I take as verbatim. That's why I try to read actual scientific studies, not cherry picked articles or second hand anecdotal evidence.

Like I said the toxicity and health risks (of which there are some) are well documented and understood. I can only formulate an opinion based on real data. And the data we have shows low risk to public health.

I hope we can find a viable alternative bit I really don't see one right now

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Originally Posted by Nick-D

I am very careful of which information I take as verbatim. That's why I try to read actual scientific studies, not cherry picked articles or second hand anecdotal evidence.

Like I said the toxicity and health risks (of which there are some) are well documented and understood. I can only formulate an opinion based on real data. And the data we have shows low risk to public health.

I hope we can find a viable alternative bit I really don't see one right now

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Fair enough.



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Originally Posted by Maca49

You've had plenty of time to develop other methods, i think the money being made hinders progress and the arrogance of DoC contributes to this. A change is needed to way in whick DoC operates, its really not difficult.

I didn't realise I was in charge of pest control development, I'll get right on to it....

Money will be made either way. I really don't see there being some big conspiracy here, shotty management? Probably. Silly drops a to fill budget? Likely. But the people on the ground fighting for our wildlife are good people with a passion for our native flora and fauna.

Seriously though, what are the alternatives? Really the only other even remotely considerable alternative is trapping.

The anti 1080 community is pretty naive when presenting this as a complete replacement imo. The cost and scale of a trapping operation large enough to cover the entirety of our native landscape would be astronomical. It presents so many challenges like cost, terrain, scale and staffing. It's a hard and thankless job being a trapper and ime requires a tough, adaptable and hardworking individual to do effectively. Where are we going to come up with thousands of said indivuals all of a sudden? Who pays for it? How do we train all these people? What does the bush look like with so many trappers living there?

There's no perfect answer here, but the fact remains, if we stop 1080 tomorrow, evidence suggests many of our native species would likely be lost.

I hope I see the day where we have the tech to phase 1080 out or remove predators entirely. As for now it's what we got

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Trapping is viable and costs less than 1080 in the long run. Idiots in governnent and fanatics in F & B cannot and do not want to see the wood for the trees. They're very good at making excuses and spin though. Really sickening actually.

Have you got much experience trapping mate?

Broadcasting a deadly poison from the air, outside the manufactures guidelines, can never be a good thing no matter what you are trying to achieve.

One day 1080 will be just like DDT, CCA, 245-T, Dioxin, Agent Orange, Mercury, Asbestos, Smoking, lead paint, lead in fuel, the list goes on & on.

Yeah its all good, safe as houses mate...nek minit......

I think we need another rule for the forum - "no Politics, religion or 1080"

Originally Posted by Nick-D

I am very careful of which information I take as verbatim. That's why I try to read actual scientific studies, not cherry picked articles or second hand anecdotal evidence.

Like I said the toxicity and health risks (of which there are some) are well documented and understood. I can only formulate an opinion based on real data. And the data we have shows low risk to public health.

I hope we can find a viable alternative bit I really don't see one right now

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If the risks are understood, why is there blatant disregard to the manufacturers requirements, ie removing poisoned carcases.

Originally Posted by Nick-D

I didn't realise I was in charge of pest control development, I'll get right on to it....

Money will be made either way. I really don't see there being some big conspiracy here, shotty management? Probably. Silly drops a to fill budget? Likely. But the people on the ground fighting for our wildlife are good people with a passion for our native flora and fauna.

Seriously though, what are the alternatives? Really the only other even remotely considerable alternative is trapping.

The anti 1080 community is pretty naive when presenting this as a complete replacement imo. The cost and scale of a trapping operation large enough to cover the entirety of our native landscape would be astronomical. It presents so many challenges like cost, terrain, scale and staffing. It's a hard and thankless job being a trapper and ime requires a tough, adaptable and hardworking individual to do effectively. Where are we going to come up with thousands of said indivuals all of a sudden? Who pays for it? How do we train all these people? What does the bush look like with so many trappers living there?

There's no perfect answer here, but the fact remains, if we stop 1080 tomorrow, evidence suggests many of our native species would likely be lost.

I hope I see the day where we have the tech to phase 1080 out or remove predators entirely. As for now it's what we got

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@Nick-D You are representative of those in favour of 1080. As you have stated you have 'read the scientific studies 'etc Can you show me a single study on the effects of 1080 that has been properly run and peer reviewed by international experts. I have not seen any.
Why did the native Quail become extinct in a matter of three years when it had been so abundant that to shoot 100 in an afternoon was common ?? It was not predators that caused extinction. This is the same with many other extinctions. Why do many of our remaining at risk populations of native birds have such low reproductive rates even when faced with an abundance of breeding resources ??
I will tell you, in both instances it is introduced bacterial pathogens and bird diseases. The only way to save our remaining birds is to provide predator free 'inland islands' and hope that the protected remnant populations that have gone through a disease caused genetic bottleneck can restock forests over time. 1080 will undoubtedly cause the extinction of the Kea if the present policy of poison air drops is continued.
Please do not just assume that the science is correct, have a look at the following link. 40,000 Elephants slaughtered due to erroneous science.
https://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savo...ge?language=en

Originally Posted by stug

I think we need another rule for the forum - "no Politics, religion or 1080"

Definitely

Been a professional in bush since 1964 @ Chur Bay. Hence I respect it rather than abuse it.

Originally Posted by stug

I think we need another rule for the forum - "no Politics, religion or 1080"

Kill joy. Until this thread I haven't had a good excuse to say "f--k" for years.