Thread: Stock on doc land...

Originally Posted by BRADS

Haven't you got some nitrogen to go pour in the river or something!


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did it yesterday, off to abuse some staff and smoke some $100 notes now

Originally Posted by BRADS

So if I see your dog lost in the Ruahines with no tag and I judge you've had sufficient time to find it your happy for me to fold it?

Should add that most cattle (beef cattle) just have a little NAIT tag now that's been designed to be hard enough to see in hairy ears at the best times so I'm buggered if I no how you can tell in the hills.




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My dog don't have its collar and tag on as it's noisy, but it does have a flea collar on and may have an electronic collar too, so won't be mine. But if i saw a dog would probably whistle then make my mind up, a cattle beast nait can be seen on inside and out, again with properly identified animals if no tag seen fair game. Guess it's anyone's call really. I have hunted an area where there are wild sheep, should I not shoot or are we only talking cattle here. Again no tag is fair game in my book based on identifying it properly as described. Now if you gunna eat the dog and can't see any identifying features then go for it, but they not my favourite snack

Hamish

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Not hard to see on back of an ear

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Originally Posted by HNTMAD

Again nobtag is fair game in my book

sounds like some kinky north island game you blokes mut play in the bush, I don't want to know..

I still think it's low Hamish
You might think the dumbfuck farmer doesn't no it's up that creek cause you've seen it a few times.
Most do and they all come out in the end.
I think even without tags you'd be on the fine line of theft.
Your picture has made me move on.
That's a calf.......
This cow has a tag





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So are you saying a cattle beast of two to three years old with no tag or ear mark is still owned by someone?? I have run this past the old man a couple of times as it has come up before. This seams to be industry type answer. He has been a stock agent for 30plus years and his dad 50plus before he died. Will have a chat to uncle google too.

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Originally Posted by BRADS

Tell doc not be tight arse pricks
They fly firewood into huts up here but won't help us fence the bush off.......
If a cocky finds ya with beef in ya pack well shit I can't write that here.


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@BRADS maybe it's the size of your boundary lines as I know 2 farmers down here that called DOC and told them that they need to control their animals! Both farms have had their common boundaries fenced with the financial support of DOC.

What you can hunt and what you cant is defined in your permit from DOC. In open hunting areas its wild game, tahr, pigs, deer, cham, wallbys goats and thats it. Sheep or cattle isnt named so you have no permit to hunt those and shooting them is against the law on a open permit.. So that answers most of your questions, no grey matter, clear as anything....dont shoot stock! Some areas, not many you can get a permit stating that you can hunt wild cattle or sheep. These areas will have a stock of wild animals and unlikly farmed stock. Even thou it has to be wild, anything with a ear tag is no go. Lets face it, if you in a general DOC hunting area and you see a cattle beast if you shoot it you nothing better than a poacher.......breaking ones permit and prob taking someones stock

Originally Posted by HNTMAD

So are you saying a cattle beast of two to three years old with no tag or ear mark is still owned by someone?? I have run this past the old man a couple of times as it has come up before. This seams to be industry type answer. He has been a stock agent for 30plus years and his dad 50plus before he died. Will have a chat to uncle google too.

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I'm moving on.
You obvisiouly have it figured out
If ya go around blowing away bush cattle you deem owned buy no one just don't be the guy whinging when ya walk out and find ya ute on fire.


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Originally Posted by BRADS

I still think it's low Hamish
You might think the dumbfuck farmer doesn't no it's up that creek cause you've seen it a few times.
Most do and they all come out in the end.
I think even without tags you'd be on the fine line of theft.
Your picture has made me move on.
That's a calf.......
This cow has a tag





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Good lines, beautiful calf, pity you couldn't squeeze much milk out of it, but nice animal all the same.

Originally Posted by BRADS

I'm moving on.
You obvisiouly have it figured out
If ya go around blowing away bush cattle you deem owned buy no one just don't be the guy whinging when ya walk out and find ya ute on fire.


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wow, calm the farm, no need getting ya nickers in a twist. Look at what deer243 wrote you can in some area's get a special permit. I am only going by what i have read and what i have been told, you are doing the same but seem to have taken it a bit to heart mate.Happy to discuss further and will investigate also.

So are you saying that an animal with no identification is owned by someone. I think this is the sticking point really, cos who owns it. You cos it jumped ya fence as a calf or me as someone who is a joint owner in the crown/doc land??

Hamish

Originally Posted by HNTMAD

If they have no tags or markings then they are not owned by anyone other than the crown, therefore it is my interpretation that they are fair game. If I see them and cannot see any markings and judge they are of an age that they have had sufficient time to be brought in by a farmer but haven't (say 2 yrs or more) Then bang

Hamish

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As i stated in post above, what you can hunt and not hunt is defined in your permit. In open hunting areas(most common permit) you only allowed to hunt wild game as stated....tahr, cham, pigs, deer, goats, wallabys. Thats it, no cattle, sheep. If you been shooting those you breaking your permit and hunting against the law.... if you get a permit that states that you can hunt wild cattle, sheep it be for a certain area that has a wild pop.(few and far between) still, no shooting cattle or sheep that have eartags and are not wild. End of story

Originally Posted by BRADS

I still think it's low Hamish
You might think the dumbfuck farmer doesn't no it's up that creek cause you've seen it a few times.
Most do and they all come out in the end.
I think even without tags you'd be on the fine line of theft.
Your picture has made me move on.
That's a calf.......
This cow has a tag





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Dont disagree that the tags are hard to see from front on, I have worked on farms, but they are a lot easier to see from the back?? Their ears are not that hairy from behind are they. I would never call a farmer a dumbarse having been brought up i that community so dont be so hard on yourself. I guess where i am coming from is how you prove ownership really.If that is your cow and calf they are both in good nic BTW

Originally Posted by deer243

As i stated in post above, what you can hunt and not hunt is defined in your permit. In open hunting areas(most common permit) you only allowed to hunt wild game as stated....tahr, cham, pigs, deer, goats, wallabys. Thats it, no cattle, sheep. If you been shooting those you breaking your permit and hunting against the law.... if you get a permit that states that you can hunt wild cattle, sheep it be for a certain area that has a wild pop. still, no shooting cattle or sheep that have eartags and are not wild. End of story

Totally agree mate

Originally Posted by deer243

What you can hunt and what you cant is defined in your permit from DOC. In open hunting areas its wild game, tahr, pigs, deer, cham, wallbys goats and thats it. Sheep or cattle isnt named so you have no permit to hunt those and shooting them is against the law on a open permit.. So that answers most of your questions, no grey matter, clear as anything....dont shoot stock! Some areas, not many you can get a permit stating that you can hunt wild cattle or sheep. These areas will have a stock of wild animals and unlikly farmed stock. Even thou it has to be wild, anything with a ear tag is no go. Lets face it, if you in a general DOC hunting area and you see a cattle beast if you shoot it you nothing better than a poacher.......breaking ones permit and prob taking someones stock

Sensible words
Surely a good bugger would make the effort to let the closest farmer know that there is a cattle beast out there, even if they have seen it multiple times. They are bloody valuable lost assets