Thread: Tahr cull doc betrayal

Quote Originally Posted by R93 View Post
The thing is, one major weather event or earthquake can change the landscape of our back country in seconds. Certainly more than 50 years worth of animal browsing or movement.

Greens are book educated idiots that prey on other concrete dwelling idiot (who will never venture further than their local manicured park) emotions in order to gain awareness for their fictional issues.
Doc is full of these clowns. In fact I am positive it is how they hire people for certain roles.


Job requirements:

1. A degree or masters in anything but reality would be benificial.

Translation :

Must be a, brainwashed fucktard that can count to 30,000 on one hand.



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I have a term called educated idiots for just these sort of people. They are like an apprentice that finishes their time and thinks they know everything but are really just good enough to start learning.
Only thing wrong is they are far more in control and far more destructive.

Dont bag degrees too much, I have a couple and have made a good living out of them over the years

Originally Posted by ethos

The way forward is to value the contribution of recreational hunters and encourage it, not deny and minimise it. When hunters feel they have skin in the game they are more likely to contribute even more to animal control. This costs DOC nothing and fulfills their mandate of fostering recreation.
There is a trust deficit for the department to repair first.
I feel hunters have more in common with Ms Sage than the previous government- that is we don’t seek a price on the head of everything ( AATH under the last govt) greens share a love of wild places. Cull if needed I’d rather see low numbers, healthy environment and no AATH overflying me in the back country than out of control numbers and rich tourists getting precedence. Tahr won’t be eradicated any time soon.
Yeah politics

Well said Ethos. Achieving those objectives should be our goal. What I fear most is the actions of idiots who for example release Wallaby's, pigs, Sika into other areas . Thieves who shoot and steal livestock. Firearms owners who shoot up road signs. This is the stuff that the public hears about and sees, this is the public face of hunting for a lot of the public. So it then becomes easy for Govt departments to treat genuine hunters as a fringe group.

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

Just Read the 19 Feb GAC meeting minutes from the link posted by Chalkeye. My take is that we could all be very confident in GAC and need to get behind them. I had certainly heard about them but didn't know what they were up to until I read the minutes.
From the minutes 9.Financial report shows a balance of only $15490.06 - shortfall by 2019 if there is no levy (on the trophies taken by overseas hunters) or alternative funding.
12a Himalayan Tahr Control Plan ' There is no current control plan and the latest plans are for 2015' The next plan will be for the whole of the Tahr range.
Also of interest is a mention of CWD a prion disease that would doom deer hunting if it ever got here and a 'Parliamentary Hunt' for MP's at a Hunt Park property.

Nope but I get tired of the bluster and the emotional use of anti doc rhetoric such as the title of this thread. I have never ever had a problem getting information from the Twizel office. They have also done their upmost to give out accurate information. Never been a hint of trying to hide anything from hunters. The opposite in fact as demonstrated by the note left in the Macaulay hut at the end of a cull in that catchment which pointed out areas they had seen good bulls that had not been shot. Delivered by airmail.. hand written by the shooter.

This is well worth a read if anyone wants some insights in to DOC management issues and crossed purposes.
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/07/1...aled?preview=1
It would be great to see conservation embraced (culls when needed) but business well down the list of priority (AATH done away with)
as far as tahr go. On current form we will get the worst of both worlds

So which areas are they shooting? The article was short on any detail.

Originally Posted by headcase

Nope but I get tired of the bluster and the emotional use of anti doc rhetoric such as the title of this thread. I have never ever had a problem getting information from the Twizel office. They have also done their upmost to give out accurate information. Never been a hint of trying to hide anything from hunters. The opposite in fact as demonstrated by the note left in the Macaulay hut at the end of a cull in that catchment which pointed out areas they had seen good bulls that had not been shot. Delivered by airmail.. hand written by the shooter.

The title of this thread is 'Tahr cull Doc Betrayal' What has Doc Betrayed if there is no current Tahr management plan ? The Conservation Act - which governs Doc does not say that Doc has to do anything to aid or promote recreational hunting. Read 'Part 6 section 38' Titled 'Hunting etc' . This is a bad situation for RH.There should be a current plan just as there should be protection of recreational hunting opportunities on public land but there is not, only provision to allow Recreational Hunting.
In a nutshell, we are in a bad place. Unless we collectively do something about it nothing will change.
Have a look at the protection given under the Conservation Act to Trout and other salmonids and recreational fishing. Hunting needs to occupy a similar position under the law.

Just heard from a reliable source that DOC plans to 'remove' 30,000 Tahr from throughout the Tahr range starting in the next three weeks. Has anyone else been made aware of this ???

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

Just heard from a reliable source that DOC plans to 'remove' 30,000 Tahr from throughout the Tahr range starting in the next three weeks. Has anyone else been made aware of this ???

The current Tahr plan (there is one, but old) sets a limit of 10,000 animals across the range. Estimates of the population that I have seen have been up to over 50,000, and well outside the range. I don't think anyone thinks that this many is ok. Its been well publicised by Sage that they will be targeted back to 10,000.

Ive heard gossip about a target of elimination by Sage, but have never seen that recorded as a fact. I would personally be happy with a greatly reduced population back to near the 10,000. So a 30,000 cull is not outside the ball-park.

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

Just heard from a reliable source that DOC plans to 'remove' 30,000 Tahr from throughout the Tahr range starting in the next three weeks. Has anyone else been made aware of this ???

Yeah, a mate and his missus ran into several DOC types only four days ago up in the Karangarua while on a four day hunt.
They were pretty damn ignorant towards my mate and his lady. One remarked making the most of any Thar as ( WE) will be killing as many as possible over the whole Thar range,,Thar have got to go. My mate simply said good luck on that one.
Just of interest they observed 32 trampers over four days.

Originally Posted by R93

Yup. Friggen deluded freaks that will shit on anyone and everyone for their pointless ideals.

Spend shitloads of tax payer money on destroying a potential resource that could bring shitloads of money into the country if they only used half a brain.






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But @R93, to use half a brain, you must first HAVE half a brain, and Sage and its fellow "Greens" wouldn't be ble to muster that between them all, blinkered fools they are. They're about as aware and relevant as a broken brick.

The last Inreach message and link from R93 I received had him inland from the west coast of Canada in a back country river system and not likely to be online for another month or so.
Sounds like hes enjoying himself.

if this isw anything like the great attempt by DOC to do a major cull of canada geese a few years ago ,you can bet someone will offer fixed odds of .90c in th$1.00 on a monty fuck up occurring somewhere .next time ya see a DOC highflier full of himself ask him or her if they could tell you something of DOC and their carpentry at cave creek!

Originally Posted by Tahr

The current Tahr plan (there is one, but old) sets a limit of 10,000 animals across the range. Estimates of the population that I have seen have been up to over 50,000, and well outside the range. I don't think anyone thinks that this many is ok. Its been well publicised by Sage that they will be targeted back to 10,000.

Ive heard gossip about a target of elimination by Sage, but have never seen that recorded as a fact. I would personally be happy with a greatly reduced population back to near the 10,000. So a 30,000 cull is not outside the ball-park.

At the NZDA national conference Sage said there were currently 36000 Tahr..... obviously too many...Guys need to shoot more Nannies...

Pick a number, any number everyone is a winner....mate.....

I hear they are a little short of funds to sort it though...lead free projectiles won't be helping the budget either....

Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg

At the NZDA national conference Sage said there were currently 36000 Tahr..... obviously too many...Guys need to shoot more Nannies...

Pick a number, any number everyone is a winner....mate.....

I hear they are a little short of funds to sort it though...lead free projectiles won't be helping the budget either....

DOC have acknowledged that the lead from buckshot used culling Tahr is affecting Kea, hence a move away from buckshot.

Yeah yarning to doc twizel sounds like the moving to centerfire