Thread: Te Urewera

Looks like TUT are meeting their objectives by not having huts to spend maintainence money on.
I think there will be precious few huts replacing these.

Yeah, most areas in the Urewera (other than close to the lake) would be well served with an NZFS S70 hut in modern materials. Anyone charging more than 50K to purchase and install should be done for fraud.

Its the fuckin bush, not Ponsonby

Originally Posted by XR500

Yeah, most areas in the Urewera (other than close to the lake) would be well served with an NZFS S70 hut in modern materials. Anyone charging more than 50K to purchase and install should be done for fraud.

Its the fuckin bush, not Ponsonby

I wish you were right XR500 but I think we will see maybe one big expensive monstrosity where you will be welcomed by a Tuhoe host - and every where else polythene and plastic local built hunting bivys

Originally Posted by Nick-D

Yeah would likely have to be to code, unless there is some sort of exemption in district plan etc for backcountry accomo. You are looking at million upon millions of dollars to replace and years of planning, red tape cutting, consultation and construction.

This is such a poorly though out idea, a staged replacment approach would have been so much easier, cheaper and would retain access to visitors and locals alike.

I'm probably more sympathetic to the idea that Maori have more say in the management of their cultural lands than some on here, but fark me have tut made a dogs breakfast of this.

If we are going to be apply these models of governance going forward they need a serious overhaul on how they are structured or this place is going to dissolve I to ruin

There'd be fuck all of any left out of $1 million per hut.

I expect that some of the apparent Tuhoe attitude towards huts built by the crown stems from their desire to clean the place out of colonial reminders and ties. I am not picking sides just looking at both sides. Who here remembers the raids on Tuhoe in 2007 ? Armed police searching school buses and traumatising school kids. I bet we would be pretty fucked off too this day if that had happened to our kids and community.
Just a shame that genuine members of the public pay the price with the loss of huts and likely some free access

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

I expect that some of the apparent Tuhoe attitude towards huts built by the crown stems from their desire to clean the place out of colonial reminders and ties. I am not picking sides just looking at both sides. Who here remembers the raids on Tuhoe in 2007 ? Armed police searching school buses and traumatising school kids. I bet we would be pretty fucked off too this day if that had happened to our kids and community.
Just a shame that genuine members of the public pay the price with the loss of huts and likely some free access

I suppose if your entire reason for being is shaped by grievance, perceived or otherwise, you would want to burn the whole lot down and I'm not just talking about huts.

If those few Tuhoe who wish to burn down huts to remove 'western influence' are true to their ideology, they better keep going and burn all their synthetic warm clothing, Their merino base layers, their quads, plastic boats, outboards, hiluxes, two way radios, satellite phones, cell phones, the computer they wrote that rant on, the freezer they store all their fish and pork/vennie in, Western food and medicine that has doubled their lifespan, the list just keeps going.

I'm a 5th gen NZer. My lineage goes back to Wales and Germany and Eastern Europe. There are several enormous shitfights dating back 500 years among my predecessors, but its 2022, not 1622 and I find it more of passing interest, than a battle that needs keeping alive for eternity to right perceived wrongs. Virtually nothing is gained by looking backwards, except high blood pressure.

During my military career I was posted to a number of Nations that had reverted to tribal rule post their Democracy (of whatever flavour) via a civil war. 30 years on, all of them remain basket cases, and their democracy is but a faded memory.

Originally Posted by XR500

If those few Tuhoe who wish to burn down huts to remove 'western influence' are true to their ideology, they better keep going and burn all their synthetic warm clothing, Their merino base layers, their quads, plastic boats, outboards, hiluxes, two way radios, satellite phones, cell phones, the computer they wrote that rant on, the freezer they store all their fish and pork/vennie in, Western food and medicine that has doubled their lifespan, the list just keeps going.

I'm a 5th gen NZer. My lineage goes back to Wales and Germany and Eastern Europe. There are several enormous shitfights dating back 500 years among my predecessors, but its 2022, not 1622 and I find it more of passing interest, than a battle that needs keeping alive for eternity to right perceived wrongs. Virtually nothing is gained by looking backwards, except high blood pressure.

During my military career I was posted to a number of Nations that had reverted to tribal rule post their Democracy (of whatever flavour) via a civil war. 30 years on, all of them remain basket cases, and their democracy is but a faded memory.

We dont know their reasons for anything, we are speculating, but I do think that the crown / Police raids of 2007 must still be quite raw and unhealed for Tuhoe.
There is a difference between colonisation and 'western influence' although this is getting off track, Maori had plenty of exposure to 'western influence' ( technology ) for fourty years prior to being colonised. They were growing wheat and potatoes and exporting these to Tasmania and California in their own ships having crewed on American Whale boats for many years. Maori supplied the settlers from the UK here with vegetables before the settlers were growing enough. So the argument could be made that colonisation actually impeded the take-up by Maori of western technology.

Guys, for the full skinny on the current Te Urewera "situation", Google : "We made a National Park disappear"- Cranmer's Substack". This is our future....?

https://youtu.be/9x7FGbW3IVc

Originally Posted by 7mmsaum

https://youtu.be/9x7FGbW3IVc

Love the Browneye at 1.08

Also sums up mankind to a 'T'

Originally Posted by XR500

Love the Browneye at 1.08

Also sums up mankind to a 'T'

That exact moment had me in hysterics trying to laugh and breathe at the same time