Thread: Thank you NZ Hunter!

Originally Posted by moosemeat

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Thank God they float, this guy took 3 clean thru the boiler room 250gr nosler partitions, we towed him behind an Argo for almost a km!!
I asked an ole French Canadian why he shoots a 338 WM he answered "where I Hunt I don't want them to go far tabernac" also they say don't shoot a Moose in the front shoulder, my 3 have been double lung shots all have toppled in 3-4 steps but i'm by no means an expert I just think quick expanding bullets leave a mess and sometimes they get away where's partitions plow thru doing lethal damage!

That looks fimilar to our situation. Those argo would be nice sometimes.

Originally Posted by Dicko

While moose are big, blokes that I spoke with that have taken a lot don’t talk them up as being hard to kill from well placed shots.

While a lot of what I have seen personally would contradict that, I sort of agree. Have asked every client to neck shoot. It is a fear the cape will be ruined but that's almost impossible if caped with enough spare skin on a moose. Taxis have plenty of thread anyway.
But they wont. Seems to go against every fiber of their being. Neck of a mature bull is as large a target as a whole red stag front end, if not larger.
If I was going to shoot one I would want to take my own rifle over and that's where I would be aiming and confident of a clean fast kill.

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What sort of ranges are they generally shot at?

Originally Posted by Shearer

What sort of ranges are they generally shot at?

Where I have worked it is similar to any alpine hunting here. I have been lucky and not had anything longer than 200 I spose.
Have had 3 just last season inside 40yrds for a bow hunter and no shot taken. I am not a fan of guiding bow hunters at the best of times but I am determined to get it done on a moose.

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Ok. At those sort of ranges the 35 Whelen or 338-06 would be good medicine I imagine.

Originally Posted by Shearer

Ok. At those sort of ranges the 35 Whelen or 338-06 would be good medicine I imagine.

I'd say so.

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Originally Posted by Shearer

What sort of ranges are they generally shot at?

Ours typically fell in the 40 to 350 yards. Most right near the middle.

Originally Posted by Dicko

While moose are big, blokes that I spoke with that have taken a lot don’t talk them up as being hard to kill from well placed shots.
@Stocky, I lived out on the plains so you picked up your whitetail tags about 4-6 weeks after harvest. Deer were always grain finished eating grain fallen on the ground, corn and soybean. Carcasses could have over an inch of fat down the backsteaks and rump.

They don't seem hard to kill more hard to put down quickly. They can be very chill being shot and will stand and soak up shots. However if one goes they can travel very well. Shooting a moose standing still seems to have them stay there or pretty close. They didn't seem too afraid of the shoot and are often coming in to a call so will actually come back in after being shot to see where the girls gone. But the ones that get shot walking or have already busted you by smell don't seem to want to stop.

They are tasty animals. Mine was up in Muley Sage brush country I was actually after a Muley but you don't turn down any mature Buck in the Area I was hunting.

Originally Posted by Stocky

They don't seem hard to kill more hard to put down quickly. They can be very chill being shot and will stand and soak up shots. However if one goes they can travel very well. Shooting a moose standing still seems to have them stay there or pretty close. They didn't seem too afraid of the shoot and are often coming in to a call so will actually come back in after being shot to see where the girls gone. But the ones that get shot walking or have already busted you by smell don't seem to want to stop.

They are tasty animals. Mine was up in Muley Sage brush country I was actually after a Muley but you don't turn down any mature Buck in the Area I was hunting.

Yup. That would line up perfectly with what I have encounterd.
Being so big they may store up energy a bit better I don't know.
I am still baffled by the one that got 800 yrds from where shot. The Bush he ran into was ridiculous in places and you could see he had trouble with it as well as they were the only spots I found any blood as scarce as it was.
His shoulder was smashed and lungs deflated with a huge hole thru one of them.
Found one projectile only that deflected up near the spine in the back strap.

I have had similar experiences with yearling deer and other animals. Sometimes they just defy logic as to how much will they have.

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I have been in on the shooting of 5 only Alaskan/Yukon Moose, two I shot both dropped stone dead on the spot, shot in the neck with 200gr NP out of .300WM back in the day (did nothing my 06 has been doing for ever) & two others died with in a few feet/yards shot with .375 H&H with .300gr NP.

One went for miles & turned into a shoot up, shot with a 8X68S (which I have always hated) & I think 196gr RWS of some type, he was shot in the chest several times on his travels that poor Bull !

Originally Posted by Stocky

That looks fimilar to our situation. Those argo would be nice sometimes.

Yeah it be hard to imagine life without it, but I guess we'd figure something out just gotta have a prior plan. Talked to guys that used a gas powered winch to get a moose to an area to process or towed one behind a boat to get it to a practical spot, we use a chainsaw with veg. oil in the bar to break it down it's quick and we have strict rules in Ontario on what we're allowed to leave in the bush and how it can legally be transported!! Here's a youtube vid of the kill done by our Guatemalan buddy not well done I might add so don't mind the music, you don't realize how much of a douche you look like until you see yourself on a youtube vid.
https://youtu.be/RASEEuJ1BgU

The bags keep the blow flies off the meat and this bird we call the "Whiskey Jack"!! bold little shits pretty much eat anything, I give the meat a scrub down with a vinagar/water mix cleans it up nice and the bags are just bed sheets my mother sewed together read about it in a magazine works great

Originally Posted by moosemeat

The bags keep the blow flies off the meat and this bird we call the "Whiskey Jack"!! bold little shits pretty much eat anything, I give the meat a scrub down with a vinagar/water mix cleans it up nice and the bags are just bed sheets my mother sewed together read about it in a magazine works great

Do you have grey Jay's? They are nasty things one of the guides almost ended up in the shit when one stole the lower jaw from a Mountain goat of the deck of the cabin while we were sitting out turning the head skin ready for salt. Lucky we saw it and followed the thing for about 200 yards before it dropped it to dodge a well thrown stick.
For those that don't know why we care in BC every goat has to be inspected by a game warden and you need to bring them the horns, proof of gender and the lower jaw for aging purposes. Failure to do so is a serious mark against the guide and the outfit. Do it twice and goodbye guides license.

A Gray Jay is a Whiskey Jack !! Canada has some real anal laws when it comes to game. Before they went to the printed tag system the tag was long slim stick to itself jobbie around the leg hook, with a moose the sex orgins must be attached to the rear quarter with the tag on it, one group tagged the wrong quarter, realized but couldn't get it off without destroying the tag so they left it and ended up forfetting the meat plus a fine at a game check! In Quebec all harvested animals must be inspected by a conservation officer before butchering and I'm not sure about BC or Alberta but in the east everything must leave the kill site except the gut pile and the hide if you so choose.

Originally Posted by Stocky

Do you have grey Jay's? They are nasty things one of the guides almost ended up in the shit when one stole the lower jaw from a Mountain goat of the deck of the cabin while we were sitting out turning the head skin ready for salt. Lucky we saw it and followed the thing for about 200 yards before it dropped it to dodge a well thrown stick.
For those that don't know why we care in BC every goat has to be inspected by a game warden and you need to bring them the horns, proof of gender and the lower jaw for aging purposes. Failure to do so is a serious mark against the guide and the outfit. Do it twice and goodbye guides license.

Was that a while ago mate? As for the past few seasons you only need the horns for a goat and proof of sex on the cape. So a testicle or part of the pizzle.
Sheep require the top half of the skull which includes nasal bone. Moose just the skull cap and horns and proof of sex attached to cape.
Those whiskey Jack's are pretty crafty but a cool bird. They seem to like the fat off any animal the best.
One of the worst jobs for me was having to take the client and his trophy to the COs and get it inspected. They would always have dumb reporting times and make you wait around for ages when you could be doing other things on a trip to town after weeks in the bush. If any resident hunters were there at the same time they would grill you for info.
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