Thread: Total lock down in 48hours

Originally Posted by Woody

Hopefully NZF have brought some common sense into this. Some booze for relief, others smoke, others go fidhing, others go hunting, many gamble or go shopping. I know some who must go to sea and work hard fidhing or hunting or suffer serious health issues. People can self isolate while still satisfying those mental, spritual and physical needs including the satisfaction of putting food on the table and making life as "normal" as reasonably and safely possible for their family. This necesarry interuption to our lives is goung on at least a month and probably till August so trying to retain normality within the health constraints is very important from the outset. Otherwise the overload will come back in many ways related to mental and physical related issues not related to covid19 at all. For many the hinaki, the fish hook, the bait gathering, the netting, the cleaning, the smoking or cooking and the environments pertaining to those skills are life itself and its meaningfulness. Fish is just one example though. The spirits of the air, the waters and the forwsts and the lands are cleansing and clean.

Apparently beach activities are banned such as fishing and swimming. I personally don’t have a problem with the rule. If a swimmer gets caught in a rip they are likely fucked in the absence of lifeguards. Same deal with a rock fisherman who gets swept out. I don’t think it’s fair that SAR/coastguard personnel put their lives at risk trying to find some idiot who broke the rules and found themselves in the drink.

There’s other things we can do for our sanity that are lower risk for everyone. A walk, a run, some cycling on quiet roads. We’re all gutted that we can’t hunt or fish for a few weeks but it’s for the best for everyone.

Te Mauri.

Yes. Its tough actually. I was just talking to a small business owner operator, classed as non essential. He had been told he is not even allowed to drive to his work premises to work alone. It would seem the new constraints are goung to be very strict and uncompromising.

Govt need to get their story straight - Jacinda and other depts says its ok to go places for exercise / fresh air / nature etc as long as you are keeping separation etc, and then the police commissioner says anyone driving for anything except essential supplies will be stopped and may be arrested. Mixed messages much?!

How do they expect people to trust them when they can't even give consistent instructions about what you're allowed to do?

Originally Posted by GravelBen

Govt need to get their story straight - Jacinda and other depts says its ok to go places for exercise / fresh air / nature etc as long as you are keeping separation etc, and then the police commissioner says anyone driving for anything except essential supplies will be stopped and may be arrested. Mixed messages much?!

How do they expect people to trust them when they can't even give consistent instructions about what you're allowed to do?

The way I look at it is you can go for fresh air / exercise by walking around your neighborhood. I'm lucky I have a couple of hills and bush tracks in my area - at least they are steep enough to give me a good workout and keep a Jack Russell semi sane. Driving to do grocery shopping, pharmacy etc more likely to be ok. How exactly they enforce that is anyone's guess at this point, the next week or so will tell us.

If you think you are going to be driving to another region, I think the police/army roadblocks will quickly educate you about the wisdom of doing that.

I don't think the authorities have it all worked out yet and quite frankly I don't expect them to have at this stage. It is a pretty fluid situation and a lot depends on how well the population adapts to the rules. If people keep going about their lives as if nothing has changed, then I expect the reaction to be fairly severe...

TV3 had a story on this all tonight! Watch it on demand if you missed it!

The example I was thinking of, also posted in another thread:

I could drive ~10km to the local MTB tracks, take my bike off the rack and ride (staying separate from anyone else who happens to be there, which is easy).

Or I could ride from my house and do the 10km there and back as well, which involves going through town where there are more people and more risk (though lets be honest, the exercise would probably be good for me).

If you believe Jacinda and ministry of health etc I'm allowed to do either. If you believe the police commissioner contradicting them I'm only allowed to do option b, and if I drive anywhere except to pick up essential supplies I'll be stopped and maybe arrested.

Originally Posted by GravelBen

The example I was thinking of, also posted in another thread:

I could drive ~10km to the local MTB tracks, take my bike off the rack and ride (staying separate from anyone else who happens to be there, which is easy).

Or I could ride from my house and do the 10km there and back as well, which involves going through town where there are more people and more risk (though lets be honest, the exercise would probably be good for me).

If you believe Jacinda and ministry of health etc I'm allowed to do either. If you believe the police commissioner contradicting them I'm only allowed to do option b, and if I drive anywhere except to pick up essential supplies I'll be stopped and maybe arrested.

yeah thats the bully boys and their "interpretation" bullshit again

Im pretty lucky where I live,i have a 10 hector forest behind my house,behind the forest theres nothing but tussock for 30 to 50 ks. where nobody will be walking.I can sit out side my house and listen for any stag that's around.Last December a fallow yearling walked onto our back lawn 5 mtrs from my house.The year befor with in 4 days a red yearling was seen 300yds from my house.So theres the odd deer around,no many tho.I wont be hunting for 4 weeks but will be listning and watchn.
Stay safe in your big citys guys.

So @Phil_H
You have 750 acres plus to roam on at any time and yet you pontificate and abuse others who are confined to 1/4 acre or less to remain confined.
Unreal. Nuf said.

Then I hope you understand your freedom when compared to the great majority of confined New Zealsnders chappie.

Whats so dangerous about a family surfcasting on the beach ffs?

Kid getting swept out. Happens

Originally Posted by Woody

Whats so dangerous about a family surfcasting on the beach ffs?

Day 3 : one guy goes fishing

Day 4 : neighbour saw him yesterday, goes out as well - takes his kid along

Day 5 : another neighbor sees all of this and invites his 3 cousins - "everyone is out fishing boys!"

Day 6 : 20 guys all having a yarn on the beach = community transmision

And that assumes none of the above idiots have an accident on the way to fishing, fall off the rocks or get swept out by a rip..

Not that hard to understand, is it ?

Originally Posted by ebf

Day 3 : one guy goes fishing

Day 4 : neighbour saw him yesterday, goes out as well - takes his kid along

Day 5 : another neighbor sees all of this and invites his 3 cousins - "everyone is out fishing boys!"

Day 6 : 20 guys all having a yarn on the beach = community transmision

And that assumes none of the above idiots have an accident on the way to fishing, fall off the rocks or get swept out by a rip..

Not that hard to understand, is it ?

I was about to say this. Its called scope creep. Over time the rule and precedent erodes.

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