Thread: Total lock down in 48hours

Ok out of curiosity I have just applied for and got a new hunting permit for doc managed land for the entire top half of the island as per usual.......no warnings or closure of permits that I could see?

Hopefully NZF have brought some common sense into this. Some booze for relief, others smoke, others go fidhing, others go hunting, many gamble or go shopping. I know some who must go to sea and work hard fidhing or hunting or suffer serious health issues. People can self isolate while still satisfying those mental, spritual and physical needs including the satisfaction of putting food on the table and making life as "normal" as reasonably and safely possible for their family. This necesarry interuption to our lives is goung on at least a month and probably till August so trying to retain normality within the health constraints is very important from the outset. Otherwise the overload will come back in many ways related to mental and physical related issues not related to covid19 at all. For many the hinaki, the fish hook, the bait gathering, the netting, the cleaning, the smoking or cooking and the environments pertaining to those skills are life itself and its meaningfulness. Fish is just one example though. The spirits of the air, the waters and the forwsts and the lands are cleansing and clean.

Te Mauri.

Originally Posted by Woody

Mskes sense to "lockdown" at a holiday bach I reckon, especially if you have kids. Fresh sir, fishin, swimming etc and wide open spaces.

Only trouble is the more remote the bach the lesser availability of medical aid if something does happen. We have a population of around 950 to 1000 here but a ton of holiday homes that would at least quadruple the local population, with just a 4 square and a small medical centre of all the bach owners turned up the locals would be screwed big time.

Yes. Its tough actually. I was just talking to a small business owner operator, classed as non essential. He had been told he is not even allowed to drive to his work premises to work alone. It would seem the new constraints are goung to be very strict and uncompromising.

Govt need to get their story straight - Jacinda and other depts says its ok to go places for exercise / fresh air / nature etc as long as you are keeping separation etc, and then the police commissioner says anyone driving for anything except essential supplies will be stopped and may be arrested. Mixed messages much?!

How do they expect people to trust them when they can't even give consistent instructions about what you're allowed to do?

Originally Posted by Sideshow

I wonder if you put them in the microwave for 20sec looks like this virus is very fragile. Just look up how long it lasts on cardboard paper.

This from Harvard Medical School.

How long can the coronavirus that causes COVID-19 survive on surfaces?

A recent study found that the COVID-19 coronavirus can survive up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard, and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel. The researchers also found that this virus can hang out as droplets in the air for up to three hours before they fall. But most often they will fall more quickly.

There's a lot we still don't know, such as how different conditions, such as exposure to sunlight, heat, or cold, can affect these survival times.

As we learn more, continue to follow the CDC's recommendations for cleaning frequently touched surfaces and objects every day. These include counters, tabletops, doorknobs, bathroom fixtures, toilets, phones, keyboards, tablets, and bedside tables.

If surfaces are dirty, first clean them using a detergent and water, then disinfect them. A list of products suitable for use against COVID-19 is available here. This list has been pre-approved by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) for use during the COVID-19 outbreak.

In addition, wash your hands for 20 seconds with soap and water after bringing in packages, or after trips to the grocery store or other places where you may have come into contact with infected surfaces.

Both the PM and the Ministry of health say that three days is how long CV can survive on surfaces. However a link in the Ministry Website to a German study says nine days survival on plastic with 50% Relative Humidity. Who is right ??? I myself am simply applying a two week quarantine to dry goods groceries by dating the cardboard box they are in and placing them in the store room for later use.

Originally Posted by GravelBen

Govt need to get their story straight - Jacinda and other depts says its ok to go places for exercise / fresh air / nature etc as long as you are keeping separation etc, and then the police commissioner says anyone driving for anything except essential supplies will be stopped and may be arrested. Mixed messages much?!

How do they expect people to trust them when they can't even give consistent instructions about what you're allowed to do?

The way I look at it is you can go for fresh air / exercise by walking around your neighborhood. I'm lucky I have a couple of hills and bush tracks in my area - at least they are steep enough to give me a good workout and keep a Jack Russell semi sane. Driving to do grocery shopping, pharmacy etc more likely to be ok. How exactly they enforce that is anyone's guess at this point, the next week or so will tell us.

If you think you are going to be driving to another region, I think the police/army roadblocks will quickly educate you about the wisdom of doing that.

I don't think the authorities have it all worked out yet and quite frankly I don't expect them to have at this stage. It is a pretty fluid situation and a lot depends on how well the population adapts to the rules. If people keep going about their lives as if nothing has changed, then I expect the reaction to be fairly severe...

TV3 had a story on this all tonight! Watch it on demand if you missed it!

The example I was thinking of, also posted in another thread:

I could drive ~10km to the local MTB tracks, take my bike off the rack and ride (staying separate from anyone else who happens to be there, which is easy).

Or I could ride from my house and do the 10km there and back as well, which involves going through town where there are more people and more risk (though lets be honest, the exercise would probably be good for me).

If you believe Jacinda and ministry of health etc I'm allowed to do either. If you believe the police commissioner contradicting them I'm only allowed to do option b, and if I drive anywhere except to pick up essential supplies I'll be stopped and maybe arrested.

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Ok out of curiosity I have just applied for and got a new hunting permit for doc managed land for the entire top half of the island as per usual.......no warnings or closure of permits that I could see?

Yeah I had a nosey on the DOC website and couldn't find any mention of cancelling hunting permits as has been said on another post .

Originally Posted by GravelBen

The example I was thinking of, also posted in another thread:

I could drive ~10km to the local MTB tracks, take my bike off the rack and ride (staying separate from anyone else who happens to be there, which is easy).

Or I could ride from my house and do the 10km there and back as well, which involves going through town where there are more people and more risk (though lets be honest, the exercise would probably be good for me).

If you believe Jacinda and ministry of health etc I'm allowed to do either. If you believe the police commissioner contradicting them I'm only allowed to do option b, and if I drive anywhere except to pick up essential supplies I'll be stopped and maybe arrested.

yeah thats the bully boys and their "interpretation" bullshit again

Im pretty lucky where I live,i have a 10 hector forest behind my house,behind the forest theres nothing but tussock for 30 to 50 ks. where nobody will be walking.I can sit out side my house and listen for any stag that's around.Last December a fallow yearling walked onto our back lawn 5 mtrs from my house.The year befor with in 4 days a red yearling was seen 300yds from my house.So theres the odd deer around,no many tho.I wont be hunting for 4 weeks but will be listning and watchn.
Stay safe in your big citys guys.

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

Both the PM and the Ministry of health say that three days is how long CV can survive on surfaces........................

First, If you believe what The Minister of Hugs and sad faces says, Boy Oh Boy, have me and my bruver's got a deal for you.

A large bridge in our Largest city Auckland , good annual returns and today only, JUST FOR YOU only $50,000 in "notes and coins of the realm."
BUT WAIT, there's more, For another $25, 000 we will throw in a similar bridge located in the country of our largest neigbour, Australia,
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Second.......Coronavirus stayed on surfaces for up to 17 days on Diamond Princess cruise, CDC says

A link..... Watch the video as well .. https://tinyurl.com/wehhy58

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So @Phil_H
You have 750 acres plus to roam on at any time and yet you pontificate and abuse others who are confined to 1/4 acre or less to remain confined.
Unreal. Nuf said.