Thread: Wanted : Clarification on grazing rights on DOC land

Yep some of that information that's publicly available (like if you just treated a doc map as gospel) could cause safety issues if relied on 100%

With my grazing concession I can keep people off during lambing/calving from August to December. I don't actually keep people out during that time but it's nice to know I could remove someone if they were causing trouble. Like others have said ask doc or the farmer with the concession. The walking access commission has said it's to complicated to incorporate it into their website so it would be up to me to let people know.

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I think you’re overthinking this.
If doc have issued you a permit to hunt the area, and you can drive right to it, then you’re good to go.
If you weren’t allowed in there doc wouldn’t give you a permit.
If there’s conditions or restrictions, they will be on your permit.

Might seem simple but good to get a proper understanding of things if you are unsure. And especially if people are unfamiliar with the doc permit system

Much better than making the assumption you're allowed to be there when your not.
Especially if he runs into the farmer who likes to think otherwise.

if any of you guys in Taranki want some advice on grazing etc DOC land give me a phone call ( 0276733881 ) leave text and I can give you a time to call me - very busy on tractor at present - in past life I was DOC and part of my job was to inspect grazing concessions across Taranaki and I have visited most of them some more than once - I don't know of any in Taranaki that have restrictions on them but have been gone from DOC now 10 years so someone may have arranged one for lambing - The only area that has one in place is Murumuru Conservation Area that has a lambing restriction - that one really needs challenging as its pretty dodgy as to risk - any way in general a grazing concession only gives the stock owner the right to graze and nothing else - as stated on here anyone with a hunting permit can hunt it - but some regard it as a exclusive lease which it is not

Confirming the above, in 1988/89 all Govt departments moved away from issuing multiple year grazing LEASES over Crown land to annually renewable and reviewable grazing licences. The former came with the ability to exclude the Public. The latter permit the grazier to only "depasture livestock" The end. Only occasionally may a farmer be able to exclude the public during lambing.

Kind of interesting. In the mid 90s i was farming in the Taranaki and doc wanted me to pay grazing on a block along one boundary. I never took up the option so never saw the document, but it was always talked of by Doc as a lease, not a concession.

Originally Posted by whanahuia

Kind of interesting. In the mid 90s i was farming in the Taranaki and doc wanted me to pay grazing on a block along one boundary. I never took up the option so never saw the document, but it was always talked of by Doc as a lease, not a concession.

definitely a concession now - at a quess I looked after 20 in Taranaki_ cheap grazing

Yeah they were. At the time, DOC had a couple of managers who, to be fair were quite combative when it came to dealing with the farming community and they did quite a bit of harm relationship wise. The guy that looked after the grazing concessions/leases, was a nice guy and if I had have only had to deal with him, I would have probably taken it up. But the other two seemed to think that because it was there it gave them an access and use right or excuse to my place. I felt that signing an agreement was putting my self at risk.
It got so bad, that I went from allowing doc to use my shearers quarters, too stipulating that they fly over my place rather than drive through, just so that there was no misinterpretation of what I would allow on my place.

Originally Posted by whanahuia

Yeah they were. At the time, DOC had a couple of managers who, to be fair were quite combative when it came to dealing with the farming community and they did quite a bit of harm relationship wise. The guy that looked after the grazing concessions/leases, was a nice guy and if I had have only had to deal with him, I would have probably taken it up. But the other two seemed to think that because it was there it gave them an access and use right or excuse to my place. I felt that signing an agreement was putting my self at risk.
It got so bad, that I went from allowing doc to use my shearers quarters, too stipulating that they fly over my place rather than drive through, just so that there was no misinterpretation of what I would allow on my place.

yes they turned to shit just before I left - all done from Taupo without any local knowledge - the bee side of it was worse - they were just giving out bee concessions to put hives on DOC land based on a paper map exercise from Taupo - a lot of cases neighbouring famers did not know a damn thing until either truck turned up with hives or helicopter flew over with hives - where was your land I probably knew it

End of Marco rd.

The bee one was a classic! First I knew of it, and this is some years later when I moved too the King country, I see a chopper flying hives onto the back of my farm. I investigate and it turns out one of the big bee companies was knowingly flying hives in right next too the small family company hives that were on my place. We are talking a family of beekeepers who did things really well and were local and had not too many hives for the area in a sustainable manor- 16 hives on this location- the big company landed 40 hives within 150 meters just too destroy the opposition.
But the DOC concession area they had had no clearings and the only place they could put the hives was along the outside of the boundary fence. Which actually was inside the title boundary by 10-20 meters. They all, Doc and the big company went into a tailspin when I gave them a week over Xmas to remove them before I started burning hives, as I was an organic farm and they were threatening my status through not being or having certification.

Big read but covers some stuff for this post.https://newsroom.co.nz/2023/12/04/af...q93i0zpisCvB3g