Thread: Warning Distressing and Disturbing Photographs- 1080 Poison

All the tities have rub marks Nibblet

Has anyone got some TomTits, Robins, Kea, Kaka and put them in a cage and dropped some 1080 pellets in there?

Surely this simple, and pretty f**kin horrible little experiment will highlight the atrocities to the public?

DOC seem to always say 1080 improves birdlife and yet everyone has walked through silent bush

Originally Posted by sAsLEX

Has anyone got some TomTits, Robins, Kea, Kaka and put them in a cage and dropped some 1080 pellets in there?

Surely this simple, and pretty f**kin horrible little experiment will highlight the atrocities to the public?

DOC seem to always say 1080 improves birdlife and yet everyone has walked through silent bush

It would be a few offences to do that and easily countered by doing the same but with a stoat/possum/rat.

Originally Posted by Savage1

It would be a few offences to do that and easily countered by doing the same but with a stoat/possum/rat.

Not really a valid comment sorry Savage. We kill mustalids etc to stop them killing birds. But if we kill the birds in the process are we doing the right thing? All day long i will support a move to spend 1080 money on paying experts to kill the vermin. Jmo

Originally Posted by Gibo

Not really a valid comment sorry Savage. We kill mustalids etc to stop them killing birds. But if we kill the birds in the process are we doing the right thing? All day long i will support a move to spend 1080 money on paying experts to kill the vermin. Jmo

It's a very valid comment, it shows what happens when nothing is done, which is worse than 1080, as the experts doing the research show.

Originally Posted by Savage1

It's a very valid comment, it shows what happens when nothing is done, which is worse than 1080, as the experts doing the research show.

Ok, i still think a change in tact is needed.

Originally Posted by Gibo

Not really a valid comment sorry Savage. We kill mustalids etc to stop them killing birds. But if we kill the birds in the process are we doing the right thing? All day long i will support a move to spend 1080 money on paying experts to kill the vermin. Jmo

bykill of non-target species is significantly smaller than the impact on target pest species, net positive effect

Originally Posted by gimp

bykill of non-target species is significantly smaller than the impact on target pest species, net positive effect

So if it kills 40-80 percent of kea each drop and they are very slow breeders and rats mice stoats ferrits possum are much faster breeders how can there ever be a net gain for the kea?

Hi Savage,

You are not starting a "shitfight" about kiwi's dying from 1080 as DOC recovered two young dead male kiwi, in the early days of 1080 in Northland. This set up the experiments with the died bate and then looking at the kiwi scats (shit to the likes of you and me) to see if they had eaten the dyed bait....The answer was yes the kiwi shit had dye in it and it was accepted that the two dead kiwis had died of 1080 poisoning....Both these kiwis had already been tested, before the dyed bait was laid, and been proven to be 1080 poisoned, by DOC, and then DOC covered up the fact that 1080 had proven to kill at least 2 kiwi.....Cheers....Marty

This is crap....I have just spent half an hour working through the process to even get the opportunity to reply to savage about his bullshit belief that Kiwi do not get killed with 1080....And then I get chucked into a totally different thread altogether....If you guys can't get your shit together so that good bushman are not superseeded by idiots that believe that kiwi, and other birds, do not get killed with 1080...Then I don not even want to have anything to do with you....You can keep the company of DOC, AHB, TBFree, F&B, John Key, Helen Clarkem and all the other bullshit artists.....KIND REGARDS....Martin Foote

Originally Posted by Marty Foote

This is crap....I have just spent half an hour working through the process to even get the opportunity to reply to savage about his bullshit belief that Kiwi do not get killed with 1080....And then I get chucked into a totally different thread altogether....If you guys can't get your shit together so that good bushman are not superseeded by idiots that believe that kiwi, and other birds, do not get killed with 1080...Then I don not even want to have anything to do with you....You can keep the company of DOC, AHB, TBFree, F&B, John Key, Helen Clarkem and all the other bullshit artists.....KIND REGARDS....Martin Foote

lol

Tack. Like, the yachting term.

Originally Posted by gimp

Tack. Like, the yachting term.

Tact as in short for tactic

I think you will find there is someone making too much $$ for 1080 ariel drops to stop.
My father in-law has been in pest control for close to 50 years. He tells me stories of how some people look out for number 1 only, who have a lot of sway. Of corse that is his opinion. But there is a massive amount of coin thrown around each year, and you could argue that not a lot is really changing.
With places where we have rear and precious birds, there should only be trapping to avoid any by-kill. Im sure there is enough $$ to get people in there to make this happen. Would you see 1080 dropped on Motutapu if they found rats running around? Nup, more trapping.

I don't doubt most of them do, however they don't make the decisions.