Warning Distressing and Disturbing Photographs- 1080 Poison

**Gibo** · 22-03-2014, 02:45 AM

Originally Posted by Savage1

It would be a few offences to do that and easily countered by doing the same but with a stoat/possum/rat.

Not really a valid comment sorry Savage. We kill mustalids etc to stop them killing birds. But if we kill the birds in the process are we doing the right thing? All day long i will support a move to spend 1080 money on paying experts to kill the vermin. Jmo

**Rushy** · 22-03-2014, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by Dundee

I've done my bit we have to stick together to ban this shit!
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What no sunnies Dundee.

**Rushy** · 22-03-2014, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by Dundee

For @Nibblet

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Nibblet doesn't need the encouragement Dundee.

**Savage1** · 22-03-2014, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Gibo

Not really a valid comment sorry Savage. We kill mustalids etc to stop them killing birds. But if we kill the birds in the process are we doing the right thing? All day long i will support a move to spend 1080 money on paying experts to kill the vermin. Jmo

It's a very valid comment, it shows what happens when nothing is done, which is worse than 1080, as the experts doing the research show.

**gimp** · 22-03-2014, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Gibo

Not really a valid comment sorry Savage. We kill mustalids etc to stop them killing birds. But if we kill the birds in the process are we doing the right thing? All day long i will support a move to spend 1080 money on paying experts to kill the vermin. Jmo

bykill of non-target species is significantly smaller than the impact on target pest species, net positive effect

**Gibo** · 22-03-2014, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Savage1

It's a very valid comment, it shows what happens when nothing is done, which is worse than 1080, as the experts doing the research show.

Ok, i still think a change in tact is needed.

**Savage1** · 22-03-2014, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by Gibo

Ok, i still think a change in tact is needed.

I agree, but we need to find a better option before making the tact.

**gimp** · 22-03-2014, 01:55 PM

Tack. Like, the yachting term.

**veitnamcam** · 22-03-2014, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by gimp

bykill of non-target species is significantly smaller than the impact on target pest species, net positive effect

So if it kills 40-80 percent of kea each drop and they are very slow breeders and rats mice stoats ferrits possum are much faster breeders how can there ever be a net gain for the kea?

**Rushy** · 22-03-2014, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

So if it kills 40-80 percent of kea each drop and they are very slow breeders and rats mice stoats ferrits possum are much faster breeders how can there ever be a net gain for the kea?

**Sniper** · 22-03-2014, 06:33 PM

I think you will find there is someone making too much $$ for 1080 ariel drops to stop.
My father in-law has been in pest control for close to 50 years. He tells me stories of how some people look out for number 1 only, who have a lot of sway. Of corse that is his opinion. But there is a massive amount of coin thrown around each year, and you could argue that not a lot is really changing.
With places where we have rear and precious birds, there should only be trapping to avoid any by-kill. Im sure there is enough $$ to get people in there to make this happen. Would you see 1080 dropped on Motutapu if they found rats running around? Nup, more trapping.

**Neckshot** · 22-03-2014, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

So if it kills 40-80 percent of kea each drop and they are very slow breeders and rats mice stoats ferrits possum are much faster breeders how can there ever be a net gain for the kea?

Your not going to be this quick and intelligence in June are you? We will not entertain you with our intelligence

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**veitnamcam** · 22-03-2014, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Neckshot

Your not going to be this quick and intelligence in June are you? We will not entertain you with our intelligence

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Entertain some common sense then ? Sorry I should not have used numbers I know you have trouble with them

**Gibo** · 22-03-2014, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by gimp

Tack. Like, the yachting term.

Tact as in short for tactic

**gimp** · 22-03-2014, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

So if it kills 40-80 percent of kea each drop and they are very slow breeders and rats mice stoats ferrits possum are much faster breeders how can there ever be a net gain for the kea?

Oh god I've walked into a 1080 argument in the year 2014 what the fuck is wrong with me

Where do you get 40-80% from?

Since 2008, 155 kea have been monitored through ten 1080 operations with 20 (12.9%) recorded fatalities.

Recent research at Okarito showed that following the 1080 pest control operation in 2011 kea nesting success in the treated area increased from 51% to 100%. Nesting success of 38% was recorded in a nearby untreated area. The following year 69% of nests in the treated area succeeded, compared to 1% in the untreated area. The Kea Conservation Trust is carrying out similar nest monitoring at Otira.

More work needed on kea repellent: Media release 21 August 2013