Thread: Warning Distressing and Disturbing Photographs- 1080 Poison

Just goig back a little to fatal effects of poison. LD50 actually means 50% of the affected population will die. That is very high odds and totally unacceptable where an extremely lethal poision is involved. Where vulnerable species are concerned, such as humans or bats or kea or weka or dogs, surely an LD rating of only LD1 should be considered to vastly exceed any precautionary principle!
Put simply and realistically, the true risks of using this and sumilar poisons is being inexcusably downplayed.

Here something interesting.

No one is likely to come out of this smelling of roses but I've seen the farmer's version, and once again, here's another perspective.

Yep. The old story " he said; she said. " Few people will trust WRC as "independent" though. Shoukd be undertaken by truly independent agency that has no government affiliations whatsoever.

Even having Federated Farmers do the investigation would be Far better tha Waikato Regional Council.

Even the meat and wool board would be more trustworthy than WRC!

And; the fact remains that normal SOP's with aerial 1080 has a no drop buffer of 150 to 500 metres away from farm bounaries, stock snd dwellings; 200 m+ upstream of water intakes! WTF were DoC doing?

You are wrong Woody, Ld 50 is a measure of the concentration of a toxin in relation to body weight where 50 % of individuals in a test group will as you say die. Figures are typically determined for rats, mice or other laboratory animals and usually extrapolated for other animals.
It is used to determine the concentration required in baits to achieve positive kill. It is not in a measure of lethality on a scale of 1 to 100. It frustrates me that both sides of this debate often misinterpret scientific data or reinvent it to suit there ends.

Interesting talk on getting your point across - any issue.

Social media manipulation offers huge opportunities for any group savvy enough to do so look at safe.

Marty Henry; the LD50 will kill 50%of the population and in conjunction with this the ckassification of the poison must be taken into consideration. In the case of 1080 it classed by WHO as Class 1A-extremely hazardous. Thus any lethality risk is still massive and this poison is not for handling by cowboys, which looks to be occurring in NZ.

Originally Posted by Woody

Yep. The old story " he said; she said. " Few people will trust WRC as "independent" though. Shoukd be undertaken by truly independent agency that has no government affiliations whatsoever.

If the WRC is anything like most Regional Councils they'll more than likely find the cows choked on Dock leaves or some other shit..always someone covering someone's arse when it comes to utter carelessness with a deadly poison.

Originally Posted by Woody

Yep. The old story " he said; she said. " Few people will trust WRC as "independent" though. Shoukd be undertaken by truly independent agency that has no government affiliations whatsoever.

Problem is who’s that though...?


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Well; the Feds wouldnt be a bad option since its a farm issue. Otherwise I suggest hiring an independent investigator of very high calibre from an offshore neutral country such as Switzerland, Germany , Sweden, Denmark, Finland or Belgium, or even Interpol. Gotta stay away from NZ Government influence Im sorry to say.

The robustness of an investigation rests on the process, not who does it. The starting point is rigorous terms of reference.

However, the perceived fairness of the outcome rests on the independence of who does it.

Woody's tongue in cheek comment is correct because it suggests that no person exists who would be independent enough.

So just get on with it.

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This popped up on my newsfeed the other day. Be interested in other peoples thoughts if they take the time to read it.