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    I think aside from legalities its a bit of a dogs act to shoot someones cow just because it's escaped. Common sense should come in to play at some stage I think.

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    If it has no tags its not really any ones cow
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    If it has no tags its not really any ones cow
    Bollocks Toby.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rushy View Post
    Bollocks Toby.
    If its not behind a fence of course.
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    Toby I think with that attitude you'd be a good candidate for free dental work in a lot of areas I know. If you did it to my old mans cattle you'd be lucky to survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bavarian_Hunter View Post
    Toby I think with that attitude you'd be a good candidate for free dental work in a lot of areas I know. If you did it to my old mans cattle you'd be lucky to survive.
    Your old mans cattel untagged and roaming around in the middle of a doc block?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Your old mans cattel untagged and roaming around in the middle of a doc block?
    Here it is illegal to not have them tagged. But courtesy, common sense and respect comes into play. that's what I have against city cowboys who come out to the country firing guns at everything that moves. Just because something may be technically legal doesn't make it right or ok.
    So you think it's ok to shoot someones cows in DOC land even though it may have escaped through a fence that's had a branch over it, or one cut by poachers, or just cows that have jumped a perfectly good fence is fair enough just because you've got there before the farmer has been able to?
    Here in Aus not two months back a bloke got jail I read for shooting cattle on public land.
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    I've stayed out of this one, but time to set a few things straight. Cattle come under the WAC Act 1977 if no rightful owner is identified. There are a couple of different land tenures which effect this act and will determine how you go about identifiying if the said cattle are wild (reserves, conservation, national park, private land, council land etc....) each has a slightly different set of rules - its definitely not one rule for all. But in a nut shell most require you to try and make contact with the ''owner'' before any shooting happens. If you cannot find the rightful owner, then you need to try and impound the cattle and advertise in a local paper for 28days (+ or - depending on land tenure)...giving an opertunaty for the ''owner'' to come and collect them (paying grasing costs)...but if the cattle cannot be impounded due to their ''wildness'' then and only then (after advertising for the correct period of time - min 28 days) and no one has come forwards - you can shoot them.

    That's a very basic summary of a looooooong legal act! In summary NO YOU CAN'T JUST SHOOT CATTLE IN THE BUSH WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE CORRECT PROCESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Depends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kimjon View Post
    I've stayed out of this one, but time to set a few things straight. Cattle come under the WAC Act 1977 if no rightful owner is identified. There are a couple of different land tenures which effect this act and will determine how you go about identifiying if the said cattle are wild (reserves, conservation, national park, private land, council land etc....) each has a slightly different set of rules - its definitely not one rule for all. But in a nut shell most require you to try and make contact with the ''owner'' before any shooting happens. If you cannot find the rightful owner, then you need to try and impound the cattle and advertise in a local paper for 28days (+ or - depending on land tenure)...giving an opertunaty for the ''owner'' to come and collect them (paying grasing costs)...but if the cattle cannot be impounded due to their ''wildness'' then and only then (after advertising for the correct period of time - min 28 days) and no one has come forwards - you can shoot them.

    That's a very basic summary of a looooooong legal act! In summary NO YOU CAN'T JUST SHOOT CATTLE IN THE BUSH WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE CORRECT PROCESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Your old mans cattel untagged and roaming around in the middle of a doc block?
    Toby the aussies put cattle and sheep in bush areas on their properties to graze off the black oats and undergrowth that grows in there, while I was there for wheat harvest last year not once did I see livestock in an open area unless they were put there to have a bit of a nibble on the wheat stubble other than that they were amongst the trees even saw sheep crossing the roads over there as dam near all of the outback roads go through other peoples properties and each property boundary has a grid (cattle stop) in the road and believe me you do not want to piss an aussie farmer off. Never assume that cattle seen on DoC land is free for the taking
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    Quote Originally Posted by kimjon View Post
    I've stayed out of this one, but time to set a few things straight. Cattle come under the WAC Act 1977 if no rightful owner is identified. There are a couple of different land tenures which effect this act and will determine how you go about identifiying if the said cattle are wild (reserves, conservation, national park, private land, council land etc....) each has a slightly different set of rules - its definitely not one rule for all. But in a nut shell most require you to try and make contact with the ''owner'' before any shooting happens. If you cannot find the rightful owner, then you need to try and impound the cattle and advertise in a local paper for 28days (+ or - depending on land tenure)...giving an opertunaty for the ''owner'' to come and collect them (paying grasing costs)...but if the cattle cannot be impounded due to their ''wildness'' then and only then (after advertising for the correct period of time - min 28 days) and no one has come forwards - you can shoot them.

    That's a very basic summary of a looooooong legal act! In summary NO YOU CAN'T JUST SHOOT CATTLE IN THE BUSH WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE CORRECT PROCESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Its not about taking sides, I'd just hate to see a hunter (Forum member) get prosecuted by following some bad advise gleaned from the internet.

    Cattle and sheep are not considered wild animals and come under different laws to deer/pigs/goats/tahr/chamois etc. The law dates back to when fences were not so great and it gives the owners a chance to retrieve their livestock from the neighbours place (at a cost) if they cross a boundary.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bavarian_Hunter View Post
    a good candidate for free dental work
    Permission to use that Jack
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    If you go onto the doc website hunting section. The Gisbourne Raukumara area, it says "Hunting opportunities within the area include deer, pigs, feral cattle and goats." So there is no issues about shooting cows there.

 

 

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