Thread: World Record Red Deer!!!!......according to an American

I like the facebook page for Barnes projectiles and today in my news feed there is a lady who either works for them or owns Barnes that I've seen on their youtube and website videos. Apparently she has taken a "New world record free range red deer". Really? I'd say I've seen at least 20 stags in my time that would better it that have been certified.
Why do yanks have to be and have the the best of everything? Or am I just crazy and this is legitimately a new free range world record?

There is also one on YouTube about a chick who has something to do with Remington and she claimed to bow a world record red in gizzy

Got a link? I'm in the mood for a laugh! ha

I have a good idea where it was shot and if I am right, it isint free range. Unless it was let out 30 secs before shooting it. It is a pretty awesome head 45-47" in length and amazing brows and bez tines. That right side is almost perfect.
Goes a bit rough up top on the left. Dunno about it being a world record head tho.

I dont even look at or rate at Nz red deer heads that are over 330 odd that are not shot in either South Westland, Otago or inland Cantabury.
99% of the animals from outside of those areas that are over 330ish are not of original strain and are just plain bullshit presented by bullshitters imo.

Originally Posted by R93

I have a good idea where it was shot and if I am right, it isint free range. Unless it was let out 30 secs before shooting it. It is a pretty awesome head 45-47" in length and amazing brows and bez tines. That right side is almost perfect.
Goes a bit rough up top on the left. Dunno about it being a world record head tho.

That's what I was thinking, not that I recognise the area, but i highly doubt its a genuine wild deer. Really? I was thinking it would be low 40's in length although that right antler does have a good royal. At any rate it's far from a world record in my books. Americans just seem to claim everything as a world record, there must be a lot of big heads with the equal highest score ever!!

Originally Posted by R93

I have a good idea where it was shot and if I am right, it isint free range. Unless it was let out 30 secs before shooting it. It is a pretty awesome head 45-47" in length and amazing brows and bez tines. That right side is almost perfect.
Goes a bit rough up top on the left. Dunno about it being a world record head tho.

It looks a Hell of a lot like a place I know and if it is it will be free range. Just well protected and managed.

It looks about the average off the property.

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Easy BH, you line up the shot, radio the guy 5km away at the gate to open it, then let rip. Free as the third vacuum cleaner attachment on But Wait There's More and other infomercials.

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

It looks a Hell of a lot like a place I know and if it is it will be free range. Just well protected and managed.

It looks about the average off the property.

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That is no average head for anyhwere. You fellas need glasses or some size perspective
359 if free range, is surely friggin unique these days. The best I have heard of for ages that come out of a true trophy area is a 347DS it come out of a river near Haast.
It had more points and was 45"ish in length.

I also think this is bullshit !

Considering posting this on FARCEBOOK

The New Zealand Definition Of Free-Range, by www.huntingreport.com

The New Zealand Definition Of Free-Range

Published: August - 2007

Continuing subscribers know we report regularly on what we have been calling free-range hunting opportunities in New Zealand. Turns out we should have been more careful with our use of that term. Seems some operations down that way claim to be free-range because they say their animals are able to jump fences found on their property.
Not so fast, one Kiwi operator told us recently. A fenced property that allows animals to escape is not considered free-range. In fact, it is actually against the law to allow fenced animals to escape.

For a straight answer on this matter, we turned to our resident New Zealand correspondent, Greg Morton, who had this to say: Free-range in New Zealand indeed means no fences. A free-range animal must be born and must live in the wild. In New Zealand, most genuine free-range hunting involves tahr, chamois, goat, wild sheep and wallaby. All and I mean ALL - of those monster SCI deer trophies are from behind a wire, although some good free-range fallow buck and sika stag are occasionally free-range shot. Good free-range red stag are shot from time to time, but they are bronze or silver medal quality at best. NO gold medal animals are shot free range.

The free-range devotee should not be fooled into believing that those monster trophies you see on many web sites are free-range animals. An outfitter would never allow such valuable animals to come and go at will. They have been bred for the park and are harvested soon after release. If there are fences on a monster-deer property that animals can jump over, don't be fooled into thinking those are the only perimeter fences. They aren't! . . . More from link above

Does that mean though that all the Fallows herds hanging around on beef and sheep farms round Wanganui are not free range or are they considered free range ?
Once they move from public to private blocks are they no longer free range ?

We see them all time just crossing from one farm to the other and there is certainly the odd biggish head amongst them.. There's no perimeter deer fencing round where I m talking about just hills and sheep and Angus Beef and deer for miles but they are all mostly fenced farms not public land . The deer live there and come and go as they please. There's plenty of un farmable land round the edges that are probably not private. Funny how all the farmers just assume they "own" those animals on their places as well and some do sell them .. Great selling stuff you don't own .I suppose they could say they feed them as they don't look hungry that's for sure.

Also found this via FARCEBOOK

August, 2013 Bullet-N | Barnes Bullets

I don't see NZ Trophy Hunting claiming "free range" on their web site.

NZ Trophy Hunting, deer, chamois, pig hunting in New Zealand back country

It makes me ill to think that some people call this "hunting" and there are plenty of NZ businesses willing accomodate this behaviour.

For your SCI-type septic tank, "Free range" just means the 4x4, picnic equipment, feed trough full of enriched growth factor Lucerne chaff, gate, hobbles, and any other paraphernalia are not visible in any photograph of the "hunter" and the head.

I always had a "soft spot" for Mars Bowman or whatever her name is (name is just a technicality)

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Originally Posted by Happy

Does that mean though that all the Fallows herds hanging around on beef and sheep farms round Wanganui are not free range or are they considered free range ?
Once they move from public to private blocks are they no longer free range ?

We see them all time just crossing from one farm to the other and there is certainly the odd biggish head amongst them.. There's no perimeter deer fencing round where I m talking about just hills and sheep and Angus Beef and deer for miles but they are all mostly fenced farms not public land . The deer live there and come and go as they please. There's plenty of un farmable land round the edges that are probably not private. Funny how all the farmers just assume they "own" those animals on their places as well and some do sell them .. Great selling stuff you don't own .I suppose they could say they feed them as they don't look hungry that's for sure.

I think wild deer jumping cattle fences are free range opportunists. Deer shot within deer netting or where they breed animals for shooters, not so much.

Originally Posted by R93

That is no average head for anyhwere. You fellas need glasses or some size perspective
359 if free range, is surely friggin unique these days. The best I have heard of for ages that come out of a true trophy area is a 347DS it come out of a river near Haast.
It had more points and was 45"ish in length.

350 is the average off of this property.
I said free range not public land.
True wild bloodlines just managed properly and heavily culled of inferior animals.

An orvill trophy winner came off there a few years ago.

Most of the property has no fences at all.

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