Thread: World Record Red Deer!!!!......according to an American

There is nothing free range about that animal at all.
It was taken in an area that has never produced a stag close to that quality until deer farming or game parks started showing up.
Shoot one like that out of the Olivine, Cascade or Aspiring areas like a couple have in the last 10 years and that is true non influenced free range hunting. Getting some random bits of Nz bush caught in your barrel channel would be impressive as well.
You paid serious money to have exclusive rights as far as access and rights to shoot it.
Not my idea of free range either.

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In the US there is a sizable amount of public land that is fenced and used for grazing. There is public land interspersed with private land. There is no way of knowing whether your trophy jumped over a public fence or a private one.
A private land holder cannot round up the deer on his property,that would be illegal. The animals are free to move off of his land. By some hunter's definitions it seems they would be free range animals when on public land and not free range when they cross onto private land. I do not believe it is the owner of the land that makes a deer free range or not , but rather the height of the fence.

Barnes Lady,

Fiordland next April, consider this an official invite. The heads are crap, but man alive do you earn them, and everything is pretty well shot at bow range.

Originally Posted by Wirehunt

Barnes Lady,

Fiordland next April, consider this an official invite. The heads are crap, but man alive do you earn them, and everything is pretty well shot at bow range.

Now thats 'Free Range'........

So the only free range deer you will shoot is doc land? As soon as you step foot on private land its not free range??? Even if thw private land doesnt have a deer fence in sight?

Originally Posted by PerazziSC3

So the only free range deer you will shoot is doc land? As soon as you step foot on private land its not free range??? Even if thw private land doesnt have a deer fence in sight?

Yep. That is my opinion. I acknowledge that others feel differently and I am comfortable with that. For the record, if I am after venison, I will shoot deer anywhere I find them, that is legal for me to shoot at the time. I am also equally happy to not pull the trigger for any one of a multitude of reasons.

Agree Rushy, if i cant hunt it for 'free', free meaning i dont have to pay the land owner for the privilege of shooting it and paying extra for every point on its head, then its not free range,

It has been protected to grow that old and sprout those monstrous racks, so 'some' rich bastard can come and drop it.......I dont care how big the property is @Wirehunt or how long they took to drive over there in the landy.....just my 2c

Speaking for myself only. For me to class an animal as a trophy it must have been able to be taken by anybody else. Not paid for and taken on private property where only a select few have access.



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I'm with Rushy 100%. Free range is an animal that hasn't been interfered with in any way to benefit the hunter. Selective breeding or selected access ie. private land. That's what me and mine believe anyway.


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What if someone just owns a large parcel of land and only lets his mates/family hunt on it but at no cost (just doesnt want people all over their shit) and has some untouched (in the last few generations at least) animals roving around? youd have to consider those free range

Originally Posted by Haggie

What if someone just owns a large parcel of land and only lets his mates/family hunt on it but at no cost (just doesnt want people all over their shit) and has some untouched (in the last few generations at least) animals roving around? youd have to consider those free range

Hi Haggie, what constitutes 'large' in 'large parcel of land'?.....if the land owner leaves a certain stag he 'owns' that has symmetrical antlers, he then leaves it
to age long enough to grow 'royals' then shoots it and proclaims 'Free range Douglas score NZ record'....i would laugh in his face and say hes full of shit.....

Thats what this discussion is about, take away these misleading terms of 'free range & wild deer'....has the trophy stag in question been left alone for a long enough period to become a world class trophy, because they rarely exist on DOC land

they have (the majority) been shot out in consecutive years during 'Roars'....all these monster stags you see in hunting magazines with a smiling grey haired yank are on 'private property'..........just like the lady in question......again just my 2c

Originally Posted by Scouser

Hi Haggie, what constitutes 'large' in 'large parcel of land'?.....if the land owner leaves a certain stag he 'owns' that has symmetrical antlers, he then leaves it
to age long enough to grow 'royals' then shoots it and proclaims 'Free range Douglas score NZ record'....i would laugh in his face and say hes full of shit.....
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You no the only reason big stags are shot on doc land is cause some good bugger has likely seen him the yeat before and decided to leqve him. By your definition that means he's no longer free range cause its had influence

Originally Posted by PerazziSC3

You no the only reason big stags are shot on doc land is cause some good bugger has likely seen him the yeat before and decided to leqve him. By your definition that means he's no longer free range cause its had influence

Hmmm.......I think you twisting my words a bit here...........'By your definition that means he's no longer free range'..............there is no guarantee that the 'good bugger' will 'bag him' next year when he has a better rack because he is on DOC land, free for all to shoot any time of the year......

on private land he is kept aside, till the guy/gal with the big wallet comes along....that is what i am trying to get across, i dont care how big /small the station/property is, he has been SELECTED for a special purpose....a 'trophy head'....and more importantly 'CASH'

Originally Posted by Scouser

Hmmm.......I think you twisting my words a bit here...........'By your definition that means he's no longer free range'..............there is no guarantee that the 'good bugger' will 'bag him' next year when he has a better rack because he is on DOC land, free for all to shoot any time of the year......

on private land he is kept aside, till the guy/gal with the big wallet comes along....that is what i am trying to get across, i dont care how big /small the station/property is, he has been SELECTED for a special purpose....a 'trophy head'....and more importantly 'CASH'

Agree to disagree.

Im not talking about anybody paying any money or any game preserve. Im talking about joe bloggs going over to his mates sheep farm and bagging a cracker stag on the edge of a doc block. Just so happens the stag walked 100m onto the private side....
Still not free range enough?

Originally Posted by Scouser

Hmmm.......I think you twisting my words a bit here...........'By your definition that means he's no longer free range'..............there is no guarantee that the 'good bugger' will 'bag him' next year when he has a better rack because he is on DOC land, free for all to shoot any time of the year......

on private land he is kept aside, till the guy/gal with the big wallet comes along....that is what i am trying to get across, i dont care how big /small the station/property is, he has been SELECTED for a special purpose....a 'trophy head'....and more importantly 'CASH'

I got a big fat pile of CASH for my big fat two year old Private Block beefies the other day. The one I kept was shot through the fence ..
They too were selected for a purpose !!

What's the difference between that and the above.. These had no hope in hell of getting away.. The deer on private blocks surely don't just walk up and say shoot me ??
Its what we all do in one form or another. Spend your money your way.. Others will do the same. Who cares you just need to be able to look yourself in the mirror and be sure if you choose to go to private blocks you act with respect and no wastage,,