Thread: World Record Red Deer!!!!......according to an American

Originally Posted by Haggie

What if someone just owns a large parcel of land and only lets his mates/family hunt on it but at no cost (just doesnt want people all over their shit) and has some untouched (in the last few generations at least) animals roving around? youd have to consider those free range

Old mate down the road that isn't allowed to shoot on it wouldnt consider it so.

Dont really want to wade in on this but.... my two cents.
I hunt public, private and public that borders private that i can also access, I work just as hard for most of the private stuff as I do for public land animals, none of the private access is crawling with deer, what id call a natural level of animals and it hasnt been influenced by outside genes...yet.
I would consider a good stag from these private areas as genuine free range animal and would feel no different from shooting it on public land.
I can understand where people are coming from with these managed high country station's that have heap of animals and farm genes in them, although it can be hardish hunting it simply dont count.
What im getting at is that alot of this backcountry private land is just as hard to hunt as public and with as few animals, and its amazing how many of these cockies will let you on, if you just turn up and ask. Just dont turn up as a camo clad ballbag.
Its going to get harder to get these big genuine wild stags in the future, with all the escapees round, soon it will take a very remote stag to be wild blood.
That and the helicopters can fuck off.

Another one for you scouser. What about the joker that uses a chopper to get right up into some big country that would not be accessed by foot. Is this still free range? Or not because not everyone can afford a chopper to get there?

Originally Posted by PerazziSC3

Another one for you scouser. What about the joker that uses a chopper to get right up into some big country that would not be accessed by foot. Is this still free range? Or not because not everyone can afford a chopper to get there?

If he/she shoots the stag, do they have to pay for it?....or are they choppered into DOC land like loads of hunters are at present for the roar, im not going on about 'access', im going on about 'selected large trophy stags that are kept for paying clients'

if you cant understand the difference between the two sides of the argument:

1) an overseas client bragging "look at me ive just shot a world record free range stag" and

2) you typical kiwi hunter who saves up for his/her once a year 'roar hunt'

then we will get nowhere with this discussion, do you see what im trying to say here?

This is what im going on about......Client Experiences - Hunting Trophy Red Stag in New Zealand - RedStagHuntingNewZealand.com - Sunspots Safaris

Righto, here's one that's fuck you lot.
In the last 24 hours I know of a 10,12 and a 14 pointer getting knocked over. Public land, yep, but landlocked almost by farms. Still fucking good of the local cockies to get the feed into them so much with their winter swedes etc. Well? Are they free range or not?

By the way, this is true story, along with a 9 pointer last week. And some rather large mobs...

Originally Posted by Wirehunt

Righto, here's one that's fuck you lot.
In the last 24 hours I know of a 10,12 and a 14 pointer getting knocked over. Public land, yep, but landlocked almost by farms. Still fucking good of the local cockies to get the feed into them so much with their winter swedes etc. Well? Are they free range or not?

By the way, this is true story, along with a 9 pointer last week. And some rather large mobs...

Haha I was waiting for this one to come up

In terms of "paying" to hunt a block, Every so often I have to "spend" a couple of minutes of my time plus a peice of a4 paper and some printer ink to get my permit to hunt doc land, as little and insignificant as it may be, by "spending" these resources it gives me more rights to hunt doc land than some one who hasnt.

A number of times we've read about guys leaving a stag to let it mature to a better head or taking a scruby one to get it out of the gene pool. Not to mention if we see a good stag in velvet and leave it till it hardens?

I'm not gunna tell anyone they are right or wrong but I beleive that if an animal is not liberated or a result of selective breeding and is not held on any one property by a fence or man made structure suitable of containing said animal then it is free range. Lets face it ALL land in New Zealand is owned by some one be it a high country station or a doc block in one way or another you have to pay for the right to hunt it, it might be a 1c peice of paper, a box of piss, a leg of venison or $10,000.

Anyway thats my opinion, on another note welcome along Barnes Lady, I think we should all appreciate the fact that youve set a bar that hopefully a lot of your countrymen/women can come down here and challenge it

Originally Posted by Wirehunt

Righto, here's one that's fuck you lot.
In the last 24 hours I know of a 10,12 and a 14 pointer getting knocked over. Public land, yep, but landlocked almost by farms. Still fucking good of the local cockies to get the feed into them so much with their winter swedes etc. Well? Are they free range or not?

By the way, this is true story, along with a 9 pointer last week. And some rather large mobs...

Wirehunt, please mate, im NOT putting what your saying down, FFS im on about PAYING CLIENTS COMING FROM OVERSEAS AND 'STATING ON FACEBOOK' AND IN THIS CASE A WELL KNOW AMERICAN BULLET MANUFACTURERS WEBSITE THAT 'THEY' HAVE SHOT A WORLD RECORD and wait for it on 'FREE FUKIN RANGE' STAG......

thats the whole fukin point of my comments on this thread, its just (in my humble opinion, i might be be wrong, but i know im fukin not) my honest view on this emotive subject.......i know fuck all mate, ive only hunted for just on one year, shot 2 deer and one was guided on a deer farm, im not trying to piss on anybodies parade or trophy stag wether they paid cash or sweat and blood........

Fuck sakes...next it will only be those that take stags with sharp sticks that can claim trophy status.

A trophy head is in the eye of the beholder...no other opinion matters.

All deer in the Kaimai-Mamaku Forest have been genetically mismanaged due to the accidental release several years ago of two Wapiti/Red X stags escaping from the works near the summit.

Originally Posted by Spook

All deer in the Kaimai-Mamaku Forest have been genetically mismanaged due to the accidental release several years ago of two Wapiti/Red X stags escaping from the works near the summit.

Duncan's Spook?

I buy 'free range' eggs from the cobber down the road. They've got a wee paddock they cruise round in. Could probably leave if they wanted to, but the feed and shelter are too good. Im yet to come across 'wild' chicken eggs. I think the term ' free range' has been used appropriately by barnes lady. Lets not confuse it with a wild deer. Pretty simple.

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All of this is a bit beyond me, I'm afraid.

I love guns, and hunting. I shoot for meat, and to destroy pests, and I'm not really into trophies, but I do understand that others do enjoy the challenge of hunting the big stags.

What I cant ever understand is paying to shoot a big stag thats bred for its trophy potential. Most of them are "free range" in as much as they are bred on a farm and released to be free range.

I know this happens in New Zealand - there's an entire industry built around breeding stags for the perfect form, perfect head, big Douglas score etc, and these stags are sold to hunting

I really cant understand how you can pay to hunt a trophy class animal and be proud enough of your efforts that you claim it as a world record. Regardless of whether @Barnes Lady paid for her trophy or whether it was a purely marketing expense for the guided hunting industry, its not hunting as I ( and I suspect many of you) know it and love it.

Each to their own, though, as @R93's tagline says .. "Do What ya want !! Ya will anyway !!! "

Regards

Tim

Originally Posted by kiwi39

All of this is a bit beyond me, I'm afraid.

I love guns, and hunting. I shoot for meat, and to destroy pests, and I'm not really into trophies, but I do understand that others do enjoy the challenge of hunting the big stags.

What I cant ever understand is paying to shoot a big stag thats bred for its trophy potential. Most of them are "free range" in as much as they are bred on a farm and released to be free range.

I know this happens in New Zealand - there's an entire industry built around breeding stags for the perfect form, perfect head, big Douglas score etc, and these stags are sold to hunting

I really cant understand how you can pay to hunt a trophy class animal and be proud enough of your efforts that you claim it as a world record. Regardless of whether @Barnes Lady paid for her trophy or whether it was a purely marketing expense for the guided hunting industry, its not hunting as I ( and I suspect many of you) know it and love it.

Each to their own, though, as @R93's tagline says .. "Do What ya want !! Ya will anyway !!! "

Regards

Tim

+ 1 Tim......thats exactly my view of 'hunting'.......

I'm in the process now of planning a whitetail hunt in Canada. I can hunt on a non resident tag. Cheaper, but buggered if I can find a free range hunting outfitter. Got some help from a forum member that's been there and done that free range so I am hoping for a good result.
Can't think of anything worse than shooting a deer from a heated tree stand that's feeding from an automatic feeder. Seems to be the norm over there tho.
If I can't get a free range hunt I won't be doing a whitetail over there.


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genetically fucked up Whitetail