Thread: World Record Red Deer!!!!......according to an American

Originally Posted by Wirehunt

Righto, here's one that's fuck you lot.
In the last 24 hours I know of a 10,12 and a 14 pointer getting knocked over. Public land, yep, but landlocked almost by farms. Still fucking good of the local cockies to get the feed into them so much with their winter swedes etc. Well? Are they free range or not?

By the way, this is true story, along with a 9 pointer last week. And some rather large mobs...

Haha I was waiting for this one to come up

In terms of "paying" to hunt a block, Every so often I have to "spend" a couple of minutes of my time plus a peice of a4 paper and some printer ink to get my permit to hunt doc land, as little and insignificant as it may be, by "spending" these resources it gives me more rights to hunt doc land than some one who hasnt.

A number of times we've read about guys leaving a stag to let it mature to a better head or taking a scruby one to get it out of the gene pool. Not to mention if we see a good stag in velvet and leave it till it hardens?

I'm not gunna tell anyone they are right or wrong but I beleive that if an animal is not liberated or a result of selective breeding and is not held on any one property by a fence or man made structure suitable of containing said animal then it is free range. Lets face it ALL land in New Zealand is owned by some one be it a high country station or a doc block in one way or another you have to pay for the right to hunt it, it might be a 1c peice of paper, a box of piss, a leg of venison or $10,000.

Anyway thats my opinion, on another note welcome along Barnes Lady, I think we should all appreciate the fact that youve set a bar that hopefully a lot of your countrymen/women can come down here and challenge it

All of this is a bit beyond me, I'm afraid.

I love guns, and hunting. I shoot for meat, and to destroy pests, and I'm not really into trophies, but I do understand that others do enjoy the challenge of hunting the big stags.

What I cant ever understand is paying to shoot a big stag thats bred for its trophy potential. Most of them are "free range" in as much as they are bred on a farm and released to be free range.

I know this happens in New Zealand - there's an entire industry built around breeding stags for the perfect form, perfect head, big Douglas score etc, and these stags are sold to hunting

I really cant understand how you can pay to hunt a trophy class animal and be proud enough of your efforts that you claim it as a world record. Regardless of whether @Barnes Lady paid for her trophy or whether it was a purely marketing expense for the guided hunting industry, its not hunting as I ( and I suspect many of you) know it and love it.

Each to their own, though, as @R93's tagline says .. "Do What ya want !! Ya will anyway !!! "

Regards

Tim

I'm in the process now of planning a whitetail hunt in Canada. I can hunt on a non resident tag. Cheaper, but buggered if I can find a free range hunting outfitter. Got some help from a forum member that's been there and done that free range so I am hoping for a good result.
Can't think of anything worse than shooting a deer from a heated tree stand that's feeding from an automatic feeder. Seems to be the norm over there tho.
If I can't get a free range hunt I won't be doing a whitetail over there.


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genetically fucked up Whitetail

That's just sad!


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The value of a true trophy is very subjective.

But personally I can't imagine a canned hunt trophy would be nearly as satisfying as a trophy gained from pitting yourself against- Doc and their 1080 drops, helicopters thrashing the alps, hours of research into historically good hunting areas, winning a ballot, getting enough time off work, NZ's knack of producing trip destroying weather, rough interislander crossings, walking for days, trying to hold your mountain radio antenna wire high enough to get reception in pouring rain, turning down average heads, etc etc...

I was so elated after getting my first Tahr trophy against these conditions that I couldn't sleep that night, I just kept replaying the hunt.

I ain't saying that a canned hunt can't be exciting for people. Just that everyone has a different threshold.

Originally Posted by Dundee

genetically fucked up Whitetail
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Fuk Dundee your a dagg.......crack up mate!!!!!!

Originally Posted by FRST

The value of a true trophy is very subjective.

But personally I can't imagine a canned hunt trophy would be nearly as satisfying as a trophy gained from pitting yourself against- Doc and their 1080 drops, helicopters thrashing the alps, hours of research into historically good hunting areas, winning a ballot, getting enough time off work, NZ's knack of producing trip destroying weather, rough interislander crossings, walking for days, trying to hold your mountain radio antenna wire high enough to get reception in pouring rain, turning down average heads, etc etc...

I was so elated after getting my first Tahr trophy against these conditions that I couldn't sleep that night, I just kept replaying the hunt.

I ain't saying that a canned hunt can't be exciting for people. Just that everyone has a different threshold.

MAAATE.......im in your camp......a trophy like beauty is in the eye of the beholder.....hal ey fukin loooya!!!!!

Originally Posted by Wirehunt

Righto, here's one that's fuck you lot.
In the last 24 hours I know of a 10,12 and a 14 pointer getting knocked over. Public land, yep, but landlocked almost by farms. Still fucking good of the local cockies to get the feed into them so much with their winter swedes etc. Well? Are they free range or not?

By the way, this is true story, along with a 9 pointer last week. And some rather large mobs...

Wirehunt, please mate, im NOT putting what your saying down, FFS im on about PAYING CLIENTS COMING FROM OVERSEAS AND 'STATING ON FACEBOOK' AND IN THIS CASE A WELL KNOW AMERICAN BULLET MANUFACTURERS WEBSITE THAT 'THEY' HAVE SHOT A WORLD RECORD and wait for it on 'FREE FUKIN RANGE' STAG......

thats the whole fukin point of my comments on this thread, its just (in my humble opinion, i might be be wrong, but i know im fukin not) my honest view on this emotive subject.......i know fuck all mate, ive only hunted for just on one year, shot 2 deer and one was guided on a deer farm, im not trying to piss on anybodies parade or trophy stag wether they paid cash or sweat and blood........

Originally Posted by kiwi39

All of this is a bit beyond me, I'm afraid.

I love guns, and hunting. I shoot for meat, and to destroy pests, and I'm not really into trophies, but I do understand that others do enjoy the challenge of hunting the big stags.

What I cant ever understand is paying to shoot a big stag thats bred for its trophy potential. Most of them are "free range" in as much as they are bred on a farm and released to be free range.

I know this happens in New Zealand - there's an entire industry built around breeding stags for the perfect form, perfect head, big Douglas score etc, and these stags are sold to hunting

I really cant understand how you can pay to hunt a trophy class animal and be proud enough of your efforts that you claim it as a world record. Regardless of whether @Barnes Lady paid for her trophy or whether it was a purely marketing expense for the guided hunting industry, its not hunting as I ( and I suspect many of you) know it and love it.

Each to their own, though, as @R93's tagline says .. "Do What ya want !! Ya will anyway !!! "

Regards

Tim

+ 1 Tim......thats exactly my view of 'hunting'.......

Do any of these free range proponents duckshoot?

You better not say you feed the pond...

Originally Posted by Wirehunt

Do any of these free range proponents duckshoot?

You better not say you feed the pond...

Oh fuk mate, im not going there, haharrrrrr......i duck hunt on a river, it would all sweep past me......guys?????

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

So do you know of a higher scoring stag being recorded under the same criteria as Barnes Ladies animal?
I doubt a person of her standing would have written such a statement if it was not a world record.
The rules will probably be avaiable for you to reserch if you can be bothered.

7mmwsm.....where do i (in any of my threads above) question the SCI score????.....i dont give a shit about the score, I GIVE A SHIT ABOUT IT BEING CALLED 'FREE RANGE'.........why is this so difficult to understand????

Wicked big stag. Totally natural I think perhaps not but I m not an expert in any way. Keep bringing your money over
and spending it here. I m sure there's more sent the other way by members of this forum alone
and thanks for promoting NZ as the PLACE to visit so your country men contribute to our economy as well.

I couldn't do that. I don't have a room big enough to put it in !!

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

. WHY IS THAT SO DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND?

She paid to hunt it and he doesn't like that part plus in his opinion its not a free range stag but by their rules it obviously fits that criteria ??
.. Each to their own I say ..
Spend your hard earned $ as you wish ...