Thread: World Record Red Deer!!!!......according to an American

Originally Posted by KiwiinSeattle

Hard to argue that the WORLD RECORD was in fact free range on a managed property.

However, small numbers of very big free range stags do exist on a few large expanses of privately owned land where there is careful culling, very low hunting pressure and good quality sheep and cattle pasture is present for good nutrition. This is the case on the free range areas we hunt.

I fail to comprehend the "well earned reward" and "pride" associated with this type of activity - from either the customer or business perspective.

Too true my friend

While I do enjoy the challenge of hunting in NZ some may think it strange that I do not hunt in the U.S.A where I have been living for over 25 years.

Here are some photos that might help explain why. These were taken last July in the Pasayten Wilderness which is in the state of Washington just south of the Canadian border. We were 3 days out from the trail head where we started. These animals are truly wild and fearless of humans because no hunters would venture that far on foot and there are no other options for access - PERIOD.

Okanogan-Wenatchee National Forest - Pasayten Wilderness

I have had similar encounters with truly wild deer in NZ around Te Anau whilst out fishing. They are fearless if they have never been hunted. We actually walked past three deer standing on the side of a DOC track one evening and then my mate shot one 20 minutes later after we crossed a river - 500m off the track.

That looks like a pretty sweet spot too, we certainly don't have a monopoly on scenery!

Originally Posted by R93

How many heads anywhere near that caliber prior to the 90's come out of Gisborne over 350?
Cyclone boler and the venison crash helped Gisborne out.
Banwell's books are all you need to work it out vol 1 is a good start.

FYI R93, some stags from eastern Raukumara country, livies caught 1979, not in the 350 class , but some dam good feral blood all the same, sold for breeding stags back in the day
(Photos are my old mans)


I have these sawn off antlers at home and are about 38" to the cut at the brow tine



hot barrels

Welcome to the forum trusty222

That Vid posted above of the black powder trophy sure looks like the property i was talkin about earlier.


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Really Wild deer in my country are characterized by not having lots of points in their horns because he used to walk in the deep woods, characterizes the thickness and length of the horns which is reflected in the weight of the head , that is more worth to qualify a good trophy according to my opinion

Thats a beautiful head linyera

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Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Thats a beautiful head linyera

Yep. You would be chuffed with that if you shot it.

Not my idea of hunting, but here a vid ive seen before

Winchester's Deadly Passion: World-Record New Zeland Red Stag - YouTube

I've seen that BSA, haha I'm not sure there is even a criteria to claim a world record anymore. Just shoot one and its a world record. Although that one is clearly free range haha

unfortunately what most gives a trophy value can not be measured!! and is throw set itself ....that alone can measure the awareness of one hunter!....

This is why the trophy hunting game seems a bit silly to me. Here is a hunter who has never hunted even in the country where the trophy was taken, she hasn't spent any time map hunting, doing recces or learning the lay of the land, and the animal is taken from a place where there is little (or no) hunting pressure. The quality of a trophy says little about the quality of the hunter under these circumstances - so who is the record holder then?

I like the way trophy hunting spurs hunters on to becoming highly skilled as to hunt an intelligent animal that "didn't get big by being dumb" but the head alone can't determine how hard it is to hunt the animal.

I would be more proud of myself as a hunter if I took a 10pt off heavily hunted public land than I would if I shot the animal in the video above.

Just my 2c and nothing against trophy hunters at all.

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Originally Posted by phillipgr

This is why the trophy hunting game seems a bit silly to me. Here is a hunter who has never hunted even in the country where the trophy was taken, she hasn't spent any time map hunting, doing recces or learning the lay of the land, and the animal is taken from a place where there is little (or no) hunting pressure. The quality of a trophy says little about the quality of the hunter under these circumstances - so who is the record holder then?

I like the way trophy hunting spurs hunters on to becoming highly skilled as to hunt an intelligent animal that "didn't get big by being dumb" but the head alone can't determine how hard it is to hunt the animal.

I would be more proud of myself as a hunter if I took a 10pt off heavily hunted public land than I would if I shot the animal in the video above.

Just my 2c and nothing against trophy hunters at all.

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Very well said mate. Trophy hunting in itself isn't a dirty word depending on what you want out of it. My motto has always been that a trophy isn't measured in inches.

Shes got great TTTTTTTTT Teeth though ....