Thread: X-ray of shot deer

It's all bull sh1t


How many die on the roads in NZ annually
How many die of Pb poisoning due to eating contaminated meat?

Honestly don't fall for it boys.

Tried it here with a report on dead Eaglesesrlier this year. Yes, some had lead in them but they all died by being hit by cars or (most) wind farms.

FMD. What scientist would claim that lead is killing Eagles but 90% of the carcass were found under wind mills

Agenda, bias agenda.
Fuk off.

Originally Posted by Oldbloke

It's all bull sh1t


How many die on the roads in NZ annually
How many die of Pb poisoning due to eating contaminated meat?

Honestly don't fall for it boys.

It's not about death, it's about avoiding disability and impairment. Especially not exposing vulnerable people to the risk.

Originally Posted by Tahr

It's not about death, it's about avoiding disability and impairment. Especially not exposing vulnerable people to the risk.

Show us the statistics. It's all copy and paste from the internet.

Show us the number of those hospitised.
Or those with impairment.

Originally Posted by Oldbloke

Show us the statistics. It's all copy and paste from the internet.

Show us the number of those hospitised.
Or those with impairment.

Alert: this is Australian research, so it might not be reliable.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6372192/.

https://www.nhmrc.gov.au/sites/defau...aper-eh58a.pdf


What are the statistics of lead poisoning?
Lead exposure was attributed to more than 1.5 million deaths globally in 2021, primarily due to cardiovascular effects. Lead in bone is released into blood during pregnancy and becomes a source of exposure to the developing fetus. There is no level of exposure to lead that is known to be without harmful effects.27 Sept 2024

Lead poisoning - World Health Organization (WHO)

World Health Organization
https://www.who.int › news-room › fact-sheets › detail

This is ballistic gelatin at 100m shot with .223 and 80 ELDM. Note the lead fragments. Don't eat the wound channel.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Alert: this is Australian research, so it might not be reliable.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6372192/.

https://www.nhmrc.gov.au/sites/defau...aper-eh58a.pdf


What are the statistics of lead poisoning?
Lead exposure was attributed to more than 1.5 million deaths globally in 2021, primarily due to cardiovascular effects. Lead in bone is released into blood during pregnancy and becomes a source of exposure to the developing fetus. There is no level of exposure to lead that is known to be without harmful effects.27 Sept 2024

Lead poisoning - World Health Organization (WHO)

World Health Organization
https://www.who.int › news-room › fact-sheets › detail

Tahr, with all due respect I've been working with toxic substances for years.
I'm not reading that. I've been studying these substances for years.

What you all seem to miss is its all about the amount you consume and how. The dose.

It's it fine or large particles ?
How much?
How often?
Or is it a vapour or fume?
What is the chemistry, is it Pb or oxide of Pb, or some other variation.
Are you a foetus, or child? No.
Do you remove most of the contaminated meat? Yes

Yes, if you work with it daily, it needs to be carefully managed.
If you shoot and eat a couple of deer a year it's scare mongering. The dose would be minuscule.

A pregnant wife, just feed her the back legs, or head shoot, problem solved. (Managed)

Originally Posted by gimp

This is ballistic gelatin at 100m shot with .223 and 80 ELDM. Note the lead fragments. Don't eat the wound channel.

Attachment 265984

Where do you get the gelatin from?

Originally Posted by Oldbloke

Tahr, with all due respect I've been working with toxic substances for years.
I'm not reading that. I've been studying these substances for years.

What you all seem to miss is its all about the amount you consume and how. The dose.

It's it fine or large particles ?
How much?
How often?
Or is it a vapour or fume?
What is the chemistry, is it Pb or oxide of Pb, or some other variation.
Are you a foetus, or child? No.
Do you remove most of the contaminated meat? Yes

Yes, if you work with it daily, it needs to be carefully managed.
If you shoot and eat a couple of deer a year it's scare mongering. The dose would be minuscule.

A pregnant wife, just feed her the back legs, or head shoot, problem solved. (Managed)

Vavlid points, which makes more sense than your previous
"Agenda, bias agenda.
Fuk off".

Im risk adverse so will continue with my cautious approach.

I personally don't shoot large quantities of deer and not very often either but i always leave the front legs, neck and any suspect bits in the bush.

Lead is not something that migrates easily - or in practical terms if you eat it as fairly sizeable chunks, it tends to go straight through with minimal absorbed into the blood stream.

If you inhale it (powder/primer dust residues) it will get absorbed much more readily than if you eat chunks.

If you ingest it as a liquid form, it's even more readily absorbed - which is why plumbing components are getting such a bad rep at the mo.

What we really need to be concerned about is not just bullet lead contamination, but the overall exposure we have from all sources. If we can minimise lead ingestion from all sources by changing a few things what's the harm?

People saying we don't have to be worried about a single source of contamination in isolation from wild shot game are correct, but if you step back and look at the bigger picture of "all source" contamination then there are bigger worries from lead of which one source may be wild shot meat.

Other sources of lead that are more prevalent include dust from paint (old houses are really bad for this), plumbing (old brass fittings and leaded solder pipework, some sealants) and chemicals that might be ingested accidentally or via food. As someone noted, it's kids, pregnant women and the elderly that are particularly affected by excess lead, if you want a good example of what excess lead can do google up the issues in areas of africa where lead has been mined and the dust from the abandoned workings is blowing over the nearby villages. The documented health effects are quite scary. Extreme case, but if you aren't aware of it and how to avoid it...

Anyone that is worried, it's simple. Once a year go to your Dr and get a blood test.

Forget what you read. Stop making assumptions. Find out if your blood pb levels are unacceptable high.

Delete your details and post the results here.

I tend to tread lead contamination/ingestion the same way I treat Roundup mist inhalation, and indeed any other toxic substance usage. With respect. I don't fear it but neither do l shy away from it. And it's only folly to adopt a "she'll be right" attitude.
Take simple informed and intelligent precautions and get on with living to a ripe old "still out there doing it" age.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Vavlid points, which makes more sense than your previous
"Agenda, bias agenda.
Fuk off".

Im risk adverse so will continue with my cautious approach.

You are too old to be worried about this. It's not the risk of some slight poisoning you should be worried about, it's the wintertime.

But the good news is that we are now both too old to die young.

You are in far more danger if you like to make your sinkers or cast your own bullets.

Originally Posted by John Duxbury

You are too old to be worried about this. It's not the risk of some slight poisoning you should be worried about, it's the wintertime.

But the good news is that we are now both too old to die young.

Im past worrying about me. I now worry about other people.