Thread: X-ray of shot deer

Originally Posted by John Duxbury

It's not the risk of some slight poisoning you should be worried about, it's the wintertime.

But the good news is that we are now both too old to die young.

And both too young to die yet !

And I cast my mind back to my youth, working for my father who was a carpenter, slapping Red Lead paint on every weatherboard join. and every corrugated roofing iron overlap.
Then when Pink Bates came about, doing lots of ceiling insulation installs with the latest wiz bang insulation material without dust masks, with all those fiberglass shrads wafting around in the ceiling cavity.
And cutting fibrous Asbestos sheeting with a skill saw without breathing protection.
lt's no wonder I've died halfway up every hill l've ever climbed...... Ignorance is bliss

I just took up bow hunting no led in my deer unless it's from someone else and survived an old wound.
But in all seriousness it's nothing to do with led I just like the challenge of bow hunting.

Originally Posted by NIMROD

And both too young to die yet !

And I cast my mind back to my youth, working for my father who was a carpenter, slapping Red Lead paint on every weatherboard join. and every corrugated roofing iron overlap.
Then when Pink Bates came about, doing lots of ceiling insulation installs with the latest wiz bang insulation material without dust masks, with all those fiberglass shrads wafting around in the ceiling cavity.
And cutting fibrous Asbestos sheeting with a skill saw without breathing protection.
lt's no wonder I've died halfway up every hill l've ever climbed...... Ignorance is bliss

And I’m the same, how much lead have I chewed on in my youth, how many treated timber tooth picks have I munched on working in a timber yard, how much smoke and shit have I sucked up burning out large electric motors, how much paint have i breathed in from paint, solvents and other nasty shit from spray cans, I’ve literally driven millions of miles in cars with leaded fuel and diesel powered vehicles. Your body is amazing filter system for all this shit. A little bit of lead fragment in a piece of meat doesn’t add SFA to what you breathe in everyday from your environment

Originally Posted by hillbilly

I just took up bow hunting no led in my deer

Hahaha, I think you need to change your arrows to those fancy ones with the flashing LED's in the end then!!!! Problem solved for you, all the LED in your deer you could ever want

Originally Posted by Tahr

Not worrying about it for yourself is fine, but why expose kids, pregnant women and others' to lead if you can avoid it? Im re thinking this whole lead thing.

There is naturally occurring (organic) lead in soil, so don't feed them any of those horrible vegetable things that grow in it!

Originally Posted by caberslash

There is naturally occurring (organic) lead in soil, so don't feed them any of those horrible vegetable things that grow in it!

Starting the new year as you left the old one, huh

Originally Posted by No.3

Lead is not something that migrates easily - or in practical terms if you eat it as fairly sizeable chunks, it tends to go straight through with minimal absorbed into the blood stream.

If you inhale it (powder/primer dust residues) it will get absorbed much more readily than if you eat chunks.

If you ingest it as a liquid form, it's even more readily absorbed - which is why plumbing components are getting such a bad rep at the mo.

What we really need to be concerned about is not just bullet lead contamination, but the overall exposure we have from all sources. If we can minimise lead ingestion from all sources by changing a few things what's the harm?

People saying we don't have to be worried about a single source of contamination in isolation from wild shot game are correct, but if you step back and look at the bigger picture of "all source" contamination then there are bigger worries from lead of which one source may be wild shot meat.

Other sources of lead that are more prevalent include dust from paint (old houses are really bad for this), plumbing (old brass fittings and leaded solder pipework, some sealants) and chemicals that might be ingested accidentally or via food. As someone noted, it's kids, pregnant women and the elderly that are particularly affected by excess lead, if you want a good example of what excess lead can do google up the issues in areas of africa where lead has been mined and the dust from the abandoned workings is blowing over the nearby villages. The documented health effects are quite scary. Extreme case, but if you aren't aware of it and how to avoid it...

And these are the sorts of conditions (zero ppe or risk mitigation for that matter) that result in abt 1.5ml deaths globally.
Not consuming a few particles when consuming meat. Very little is absorbed into the blood in this manner.
It's breathing in microscopic dust or vapours that are risky.

Get the blood test if your worried.

But I won't be. I'll spend that money on more cup and core bullets.

various people pushing a narrative for various reasons, none of them benign.

Originally Posted by Oldbloke

And these are the sorts of conditions (zero ppe or risk mitigation for that matter) that result in abt 1.5ml deaths globally.
Not consuming a few particles when consuming meat. Very little is absorbed into the blood in this manner.
It's breathing in microscopic dust or vapours that are risky.

Get the blood test if your worried.

But I won't be. I'll spend that money on more cup and core bullets.

In petrochems, working with old tanks requires blood lead tests. One guy resulted in sky-high levels, which resulted in stop work and full panic stations during the project. Finally tracked down the source after a pretty thorough investigation, sanding down an old house with minimal PPE (only a dust mask) and also working on classic cars. So you can pick up concerning levels of blood lead from commonly done work in NZ...

Originally Posted by hillbilly

I just took up bow hunting no led in my deer unless it's from someone else and survived an old wound.
But in all seriousness it's nothing to do with led I just like the challenge of bow hunting.

I was bowhunting when carbon arrows became popular.
The advice from the experts was don't ever use carbon arrows for hunting. If an arrow broke in an animal small carbon fibres would be released into the animal. Eating these would cause certain death.
Carbon arrows appear to be completely acceptable for hunting now.
So what's changed?

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

I was bowhunting when carbon arrows became popular.
The advice from the experts was don't ever use carbon arrows for hunting. If an arrow broke in an animal small carbon fibres would be released into the animal. Eating these would cause certain death.
Carbon arrows appear to be completely acceptable for hunting now.
So what's changed?

Don’t use carbon fibre cleaning rods, now they dangerous, mate and I, lead slugging a bore, rod broke and the shards went into the back of his hand, me pissing myself didn’t help. Long and the short of it, it doesn’t show up under X-ray so has to be ultra sound. Removed the big bits they could feel and got some of the smaller bits with the ultra. The bits break off trying to tweezer them out. But still has a lot of it in is hand. The bore measured .379, way under 400, made up two sizing dies to get them to size

Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

I was bowhunting when carbon arrows became popular.
The advice from the experts was don't ever use carbon arrows for hunting. If an arrow broke in an animal small carbon fibres would be released into the animal. Eating these would cause certain death.
Carbon arrows appear to be completely acceptable for hunting now.
So what's changed?

Market forces.

Companies that could not produce them at first started to undermine them with these rumours.

Surprised the MAGA crowd are still using Mexican made Gold Tip arrows (who have done a commendable job in making a product that is both affordable and good quality).

Ironically a lot of the sponsored archers who are vocal Trump supporters shoot Chinese made arrows!

Originally Posted by Maca49

Don’t use carbon fibre cleaning rods, now they dangerous, mate and I, lead slugging a bore, rod broke and the shards went into the back of his hand, me pissing myself didn’t help. Long and the short of it, it doesn’t show up under X-ray so has to be ultra sound. Removed the big bits they could feel and got some of the smaller bits with the ultra. The bits break off trying to tweezer them out. But still has a lot of it in is hand. The bore measured .379, way under 400, made up two sizing dies to get them to size

Sounds like user error

I consumed more lead putting sinkers on my fishing line using my teeth to clamp them shut as a kid than I’ll ever consume eating game I’ve killed. I’m perfectly fine, just ask my wife ��.

Do what you want. Use lead core or solids. Makes no difference to me just don’t force something on me like using a mono bullet.

Certainly gets you thinking.

Back in the 80's or earlier, farmers/mechanics never wore gloves or respirators when dealing with chemicals. I have had 3 family members not blood related develop parkinsons. Recent studies have shown exposure to certain chemicals triggers cells associated with parkinsons. No turning back once it starts.