Thread: 17HMR or 22WMR

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

neither...buy a .223 and be happy chappie forever THE END.

I had to hand in my evil 223 and don't want a bolt version. Being a leftie I would prefer a semi. I have been considering a cz512 22 mag. I do also like the idea of a 17 but the savage is the only semi I am aware of and some of the reviews are average. And how would a shortish barrel with suppressor effect speed/accuracy/reliability as I don't really want a 22 inch barrel plus suppressor...

stop telling porkies.......
what you REALLY REALLY REALLY want is a lever action winchester .22magnum...with slightly shortened magazine capacity.
I can agree 100% with that sentiment as have sent hundreds of rounds down barrel of my buddies to great effect....and ammunition is MILES ahead of what it was back then.possums,rabbits hares goats and wallabies all fell to that rifle...oh and a stag...but did learn head shooting stag looking at me wasnt good option,9 shots slid along skull and the last 2 in the mag went into crease as it walked away with one hell of a headache...got 100 yards till lungs filled up with red stuff and it tipped over.

Funny you should mention lever action as I thought about that , can get both calibres in lever. But as a large chunk of my safe is levers and if the stazi decide to ban those I'd have nothing left....if you believe the rumours about what is on the list for the chop including calibres I would be left with a 22 and 243....

yeah nah..prefer not to have that nightmare....can you imagine the pighunters giving up their .44s , 30/30s and .357s ???? not a happening thing methinks.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

what you REALLY REALLY REALLY want is a lever action winchester .22magnum...with slightly shortened magazine capacity.

I've seen 2 of these in the last month in Chch, both have been screwed by a bad job at shortening the inner tube. In fact one had a suppressor on the end and the tube itself was bent so you could remove the inner past the can to load it. Heartbreaking!

Originally Posted by Mr Browning

I've seen 2 of these in the last month in Chch, both have been screwed by a bad job at shortening the inner tube. In fact one had a suppressor on the end and the tube itself was bent so you could remove the inner past the can to load it. Heartbreaking!

That is wrong in so many ways. I had looked at a new Henry rather than cut up a classic but the loading tube/suppressor thing was an issue. Now if there was a side loader like a Marlin...

+1 for the CZ 512. Damn reliable semi auto and accurate too.

Originally Posted by Ftx325

Sorry I should really be more specific shouldn't I...was interrupted. Small game out to say 150 meters, suppressed and preferably shortish barrel. Semi auto possibly...

223 is better than them both.

* 17HMR is better than 22WMR against wind, all tests confirm this. People intuitively think 22WMR is better in wind because it is a heavier bullet. but in reality, they are delivered by comparable amount of powder and use similar density materials for the bullet, so 17hmr goes faster therefore drafts less. it is lighter but equally has smaller cross section.

* neither are actually reliable at 150m if there is some wind. a lot of guess work will be involved. if you like to shoot targets at that distance and enjoy the wind guessing challenge, then go for it. But if you want to reliably kill your game with minimised risk of missing, go with 223.

* 223 is louder, but if you suppress them, 223 is not much worse than 17hmr or 22WMR.

* in terms of price of rifle, you pay about 200~300 more for a 223, but in the grand scheme of things, taking into account scope cost, fuel cost, opportunity time costs. that 200 bucks is nothing.

* you can buy bulk 223 for about $0.65 each, not much more than 17hmr and 22WMR.

I use my 17hmr for under 120m hunting, advantage of it over 22lr is that i dont have to range my shots and think about hold over.

Originally Posted by Ftx325

That is wrong in so many ways. I had looked at a new Henry rather than cut up a classic but the loading tube/suppressor thing was an issue. Now if there was a side loader like a Marlin...
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I may get flamed for this but that really belongs in the Bubba what have you done thread.

Originally Posted by Marty Henry

I may get flamed for this but that really belongs in the Bubba what have you done thread.

probably not wrong but something short barreled and suppressed like that in 44mag say would be an awesome bush gun or running subs over dogs....and they look cool and allow fast follow ups.
I seriously considered doing the same thing to my rossi 44 shortening the mag tube and overbarrel set up. short , light , plenty of put down power.

17WSM worth throwing in the mix?

22 mag lever at gc wellyland

Yes... it's on trade me but has got the tube loading magazine so would be a pain with suppressor I think. After the suggestions about 223 and seeing Tommy's howa mini chassis porn in his thread I'm thinking maybe something along those lines maybe instead. Would be a better all round rifle I guess at the end of the day.

Also belmonts 223 frangible out performs .17 and.22 mag by quite a bit. A mag of that and one of std 223 and you are pretty much ready for any eventuality

Originally Posted by Marty Henry

I may get flamed for this but that really belongs in the Bubba what have you done thread.

Is there actually a thread called that @Marty Henry. I should probably put pics of my SBL c.a.r in there... it now has matching leather upholstery front and rear .. I got bored last weekend...